Windows 8 bashing!

Simple answer there is never any need or point to use a Metro app!

On a desktop system that's pretty true. I originally installed Win8 Pro so I could keep tabs on what's going on with it as a developer. I do "play" with some Metro apps and have my Start Screen organized the way I want it but I stay in the desktop most of the time. Once settled down the system works just fine. The "Metro" apps are for touch screens.

However ... having said that, sometimes a full screen news reader is nice - and it does play a nice game of solitaire.

-Max
 

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Just because I don't think that Windows 8 is a run-away hit, doesn't mean that I want to see MS fail. But I sure would be happier with a few changes to Windows 8 without having to resort to third party "hacks".

Windows has always been improved with 3rd-party hacks. This is nothing new. I wouldn't say it's something to be irritated about. I spent a whopping $5 on Start8 to get the start menu back onto my desktop. Big hairy deal.

-Max
 

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OK I have to admi6t I did install solitaire metro app, but only because windows got rid of the desktop games there is a hack to get them back).
 

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Backgammon Pro is pretty nice. You can pay for the "premium" (no ads) version but after a point you ignore the ads anyway and they don't interfere with the game.

The Microsoft Store offers a lot of apps, many of them free. I haven't installed very many but there is certainly something for everyone, and they're adding more all the time.
 

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Backgammon Pro is pretty nice. You can pay for the "premium" (no ads) version but after a point you ignore the ads anyway and they don't interfere with the game.

LOL

Most of the free apps I have say this: get the premium version without adds.

But I don't see any ads because pc is offline. Ha ha.

Who care about the adds. If I really like the program I'm using it anyway. If I hate the ads more than I like the app, then the app goes.

Keep it simple. :)
 

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You see that's where you people are wrong, the desktop is fading away and Microsoft knows it, I could have told you two years ago. It's not going to fade out overnight but it's dying, the new generation doesn't want them or need them, you can do most things on a tablet in the comfort of your lounge or on a train.
There are quite a few things that I can do on my tablet. However, there are also lots of things that aren't ideal (typing, gaming, upgrading, modifying, etc).

I can do most things on my Android phone, I can book a plane, I can book a hotel, I can use it as a Navigator and I can play Angry Birds.
For simple and basic web tasks, I can use my phone too. However, it's not always a pleasant experience. Take this post for example, I'm doing multi-quotes. This is a nightmare of cutting and pasting on my Samsung Galaxy S3...but on my PC with Cut and Paste and a mouse, it's simple. Then, there is the constant aggravation of typing on a touchscreen keyboard that is auto-correcting to the wrong word. And then the multi-menu system I have to jump through to get to symbols and numbers and special characters that I use on my keyboard. With the speed I can type on a real full size keyboard, I'd bet I'm at least 10x faster when using my PC over my smartphone.

There are lots of things that I still do regularly, which I don't do on my smartphone or tablet. Rip music or movies, mix audio, re-encode video files from my HD camcorder, play video games like Call of Duty, Diablo 3, etc. Run virtual machines for testing and experimenting on work projects.

Oh, and the main reason I use my computer much more is because Windows 8 boots up almost immediately like my iPad, with Windows 7 I just couldn't be bothered waiting, and everything is a lot faster.
I've been running an SSD under Windows 7 so it's pretty darn fast. Also, I tend to test a ton in virtual machines, so I don't load much at all to my Windows 7 host. Lots of people install tons of stuff and really gum up their computers. A clean load of Windows 7 and a clean load of Windows 8 provide reasonably close performance. Windows 8 certainly gets to the logon screen and desktop faster, but is still loading quite a lot and getting the system ready in the background. Once booted, I see very little difference between the two systems when they are clean installs.

Windows has always been improved with 3rd-party hacks. This is nothing new. I wouldn't say it's something to be irritated about. I spent a whopping $5 on Start8 to get the start menu back onto my desktop. Big hairy deal.

-Max
It's not the cost that bugs me. And some 3rd party tools do improve efficiency with no lack of stability. But there are also many instances where some of these 3rd party tools wreak havoc on a system or cause mysterious issues that otherwise might not exist. It's no real different than some of the web browser toolbars and such. Get a bad one and you browser almost dies. it's just a personal preference of mine to not resort to these types of tools unless absolutely necessary.
 

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Backgammon Pro is pretty nice. You can pay for the "premium" (no ads) version but after a point you ignore the ads anyway and they don't interfere with the game.

LOL

Most of the free apps I have say this: get the premium version without adds.

But I don't see any ads because pc is offline. Ha ha.

Who care about the adds. If I really like the program I'm using it anyway. If I hate the ads more than I like the app, then the app goes.

Keep it simple. :)

Ads are awful. Actually I have wondered many times if being so awful, annoying and intrusive is really benefitial or makes people actually hate the brand and the company.

I wonder if displaying more elegant, less intrusive and annoying ads would actually get better results.
 

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Backgammon Pro is pretty nice. You can pay for the "premium" (no ads) version but after a point you ignore the ads anyway and they don't interfere with the game.

LOL

Most of the free apps I have say this: get the premium version without adds.

But I don't see any ads because pc is offline. Ha ha.

Who care about the adds. If I really like the program I'm using it anyway. If I hate the ads more than I like the app, then the app goes.

Keep it simple. :)

Ads are awful. Actually I have wondered many times if being so awful, annoying and intrusive is really benefitial or makes people actually hate the brand and the company.

I wonder if displaying more elegant, less intrusive and annoying ads would actually get better results.

I wonder if the manufacture realizes that some of the ads are a put off for there products. With DVRs most ads are not even watched. I saw an ad for Windows 8 on TV last night that really did not look like an add they were using a RT pad in the program she did very little with it it showed her bringing up APPs. That is the first ad I have seen that did not depict it as a TOY.
 

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I've been running an SSD under Windows 7 so it's pretty darn fast. Also, I tend to test a ton in virtual machines, so I don't load much at all to my Windows 7 host. Lots of people install tons of stuff and really gum up their computers. A clean load of Windows 7 and a clean load of Windows 8 provide reasonably close performance. Windows 8 certainly gets to the logon screen and desktop faster, but is still loading quite a lot and getting the system ready in the background. Once booted, I see very little difference between the two systems when they are clean installs.

this was the biggest benefit of Windows 8 to me. I remember Windows XP and how nightmarish boot times and restart times were. I could go make breakfast while it was still loading. Even with barely any programs installed.

Then Windows 7 was great. Loaded much faster. But it was partly an illusion especially when you had a realistic amount of programs installed. While it would get you to the desktop fairly quickly, it kept loading and loading. I'd be sitting at the desktop and tons of stuff was still loading in, making the whole system feel sluggish. Only an SSD could save the situation.

But Windows 8, man, boot times and restart times are amazing. I get to the desktop (and a done desktop at that) much more quickly than Windows 7 ever did. Even with a HDD, Windows 8 boots quickly. And with an SSD, it's near tablet speed even with a bunch of programs installed. As soon as I'm at the desktop, I can get right into things instead of give the system time to load up stuff.
 

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You see that's where you people are wrong, the desktop is fading away and Microsoft knows it, I could have told you two years ago. It's not going to fade out overnight but it's dying, the new generation doesn't want them or need them, you can do most things on a tablet in the comfort of your lounge or on a train.

Bill, the desktop isn't fading away - it's simply becoming part of a larger ecosystem. The explosion of mobile computing hasn't made the desktop irrelevant nor will it any time soon. Try word-processing, software development, CAD, web page development, advanced photography, process control (need I go on?) on a tablet interface. I have a fairly advanced Office productivity suite on my iPad. As slick as it is, doing documentation of any size is painful. You are painting this with a brush that only sees things from your viewpoint. Walk into any corporate office and you'll see only desktop systems. OTOH, walk into an Apple store and you'll see a mix of devices desktop and tablet. Yes, the ratio of devices is changing but you're not going to see the desktop go away no matter how badly you might want it to.

These changes by Microsoft are not too soon, they're almost too late, if not too late. In ten years time Microsoft would have been dead for about 6 or 7 years. I can do most things on my Android phone, I can book a plane, I can book a hotel, I can use it as a Navigator and I can play Angry Birds.

Once again, you're speaking from the narrow viewpoint of a mobile user. Microsoft would not have been "dead" ... their presence in the enterprise market is incredibly deep. Let's try to stop speaking in absolutes around here, shall we?

I personally use my tablets and phone much more than I use my PC, the only reason I now use my computer a lot more is because of Windows 8. I want Microsoft to succeed so that I can use a full blown OS in the comfort of my armchair or when I'm out travelling. I'll probably have a PC for a few more years but I doubt over four. Even my HTPC is getting less work because of all the different ways you can get and watch movies.

Again, that's the way you see it. I can cancel your vote out by my usage patterns. As a software developer I still spend 80% or more of my time on my desktop replacement machine. Yes, I use an iPhone and an iPad for many things but I wouldn't attempt to use those devices for many, many things. I couldn't ever see trying to develop software on a tablet. Nor would I do flight simulation or high-end video processing or ... (list abbreviated for time sake).

-Max
 

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If a manufacture came out with a portable device that I can read in the sun I might buy it but all the machines wash out so bad it makes them unusable. I am a beekeeper and needs to be readable in the sun for data entry. The other problem I see with Windows 8 RT is I cannot develop my own APPs suited for my industry too small a user base for any retail APPs (Microsoft's greed) even if there was a device.


Here is a little story that says we are in a PC+ era not a post PC era.

Lenovo chief: We're in the PC-plus, not post-PC era | Business Tech - CNET News
 
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Max, I can use my usage as a guide because I've been a computer nut for many years, my usage is changing, I'm going more mobile, the rest of the world is going mobile. I don't want to sit at a desk if I can sit in my lounge.

A lot of people these days can get by just fine with a tablet, they don't need a big clunky PC to go on the Net, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, these are the facts.

Sure there are lots of jobs that need a desktop, but these are becoming less. You're usage doesn't count, not everyone's a software developer.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft didnt make these drastic changes because the desktop market is growing, they know the world is going mobile and have changed tack to keep their market share.
 

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A lot of people these days can get by just fine with a tablet, they don't need a big clunky PC to go on the Net, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, these are the facts.
I agree with this. Lots of people simply had computers as they were the gateway device to making these other activities possible. Now that they can read email, post to facebook, watch YouTube and surf the web on their portable devices....and store digital content in the cloud...they have far less of a need for an actual computer.


Sure there are lots of jobs that need a desktop, but these are becoming less. You're usage doesn't count, not everyone's a software developer.
I'm not so sure that corporate America, let alone the rest of the world, is prepared to "not" be on a desktop type computer device to do their job. While I work for a software development shop, our sales people, customer service people, finance people, etc have quite a number of applications and such which either don't work or don't work efficiently at all on a smartphone or a tablet device. While we have gotten some tablets in, and we have some people who have smartphones since they are on call (I'm one of them), there is 0 plans at this point to not provide them with a desktop or laptop computer.
 

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What I don't understand is why, if you hate Windows 8 that much, do you find it needed to be on a Windows 8 forum if all you are going to do is trash the OS and trash peoples threads that like the OS.

A prime example of this trollish behavior would be SIW2, who I've seen has really nothing good to say about Windows 8 (has probably never even tried it) and has trashed numerous threads with FUD of people who like it. It's quite clear he hates Windows 8 and is pro-Seven, so I'm not sure why he is even here or why he is even part of the EF team.

I came here to see if I was out in left field with my dislike of Windows 8. I was surprised that Windows 8 left me asking what in the world is going on with this new OS. I was hoping for something different and I found some of the changes they made to the OS to not fit my needs at all. I considered how it would work in the hands of my users and I immediately thought this is NOT going to work well for them and I can hear the complaining in my head already and if it was deployed I would be getting requests to go back to seven. That's what my test users did. They don't want to deal with all of this multi layer multi environment stuff. They want simple, simple, simple and what they are used to.

I came here to see and share in the conversation about how bad this OS is for me and the folks where I am at. My complaints ARE my contribution to this site and to what Windows 8 is right now for many of us. There are so many conversations about this that you guys are saying this like "beating a dead horse" and "we've heard this over and over." You guys are getting tired of hearing all of this but this is the state of the OS for many of us. Were going to keep up this conversation so that we are heard. So that the designers get the word that there is a lot of pushback against the OS and many are not happy with it.
 

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In support of the point that BillWindows is making.

[h=2]Report: Tablets to outsell ALL PCs by 2016[/h]
It was claimed by one market watcher this week that tablets will outsell notebook computers during 2013. By 2016, says another, slates’ share of the PC market will have surpassed all other devices combined.
The research firm in question is Canalys, and it reckons Wintel’s share of the PC market will drop from 72 per cent in 2012 to 65 per cent this year on the back of a five per cent fall in unit shipments. The trend has been established, and come 2016, desktops, notebooks and what few netbooks remain will together account for just 41 per cent of the PC market.

Read rest of the story here:
 

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A lot of people these days can get by just fine with a tablet, they don't need a big clunky PC to go on the Net, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, these are the facts.
I agree with this. Lots of people simply had computers as they were the gateway device to making these other activities possible. Now that they can read email, post to facebook, watch YouTube and surf the web on their portable devices....and store digital content in the cloud...they have far less of a need for an actual computer.


Sure there are lots of jobs that need a desktop, but these are becoming less. You're usage doesn't count, not everyone's a software developer.
I'm not so sure that corporate America, let alone the rest of the world, is prepared to "not" be on a desktop type computer device to do their job. While I work for a software development shop, our sales people, customer service people, finance people, etc have quite a number of applications and such which either don't work or don't work efficiently at all on a smartphone or a tablet device. While we have gotten some tablets in, and we have some people who have smartphones since they are on call (I'm one of them), there is 0 plans at this point to not provide them with a desktop or laptop computer.

Yeah sorry, I had to do something and cut my comment short, I meant to finish off by saying that businesses will be using the Desktop for the foreseeable future. The thing is Microsoft can't afford to be complacent, the world is changing and they need to be at the forefront of development not the rear.

Hopefully for them, Windows 8 will give them what it needs for the future, and judging by recent comments on this forum I think they've made the right move, even though some can't see that.
 

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This is where I think Microsoft will shine, the myriad of convertible laptops, touch laptops and phablets including huge Windows 8 tablets that can be placed on a table or hung on a wall and people will be able to gather around and touch and move object on the screen.

For all this to happen Windows 8 needs to be strong and evolve, I think it's an exciting time for the PC industry and even me. I was getting bored until Windows 8 came along.
 

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My complaint with the start functionality is that I dislike being taken away from my desktop (where I have notifications for Outlook email, or Microsoft Lync instant messages, etc), and brought into a whole different look/feel environment with "live tiles"...which often distract me from getting back to my desktop where at the present time is where my actual work is taking place.


.............. You hate Windows 8 because you don't know how to use it, and that makes you feel embarrassed. That's why most techies hate it, because they are no longer the experts their ego has set them up to be... so they hate it.


Hi there

I don't think that's true of pparks1 at all -- I'm sure he knows how to operate more different types of OS'es than the number of hot dinners most people have ever eaten in their lives.

I've also run loads of different OS'es including old IBM mainframe stuff which was essentially command line only stuff.

Windows 8 does undoubtedly contain some good features -- and the idea of a common interface across tablets, phones and computers will make a lot of sense to quite a few people too who will appreciate the commonality.

What a lot of "power users" have problems with are basically two fold

1) The whole idea of totally full screen mode by default for new apps (Metro UI stuff) - especially if you are using very large monitors, multiple monitors or a combination of both. Most Office type power users usually have many windows open at the same time -- typical examples would be translating documents from one language into two or more different languages, incorporating data from several documents into a new spread sheet / presentation, simply comparing documents, or preparing high quality photos / images for pre-press using Photoshop where you could have several layers -- especially if using CYMK for the press submission.

2) The lack of any sort of hierarchical structure to be able to quickly access applications that are sub functions or sub-sub functions or even sub sub sub functions of the main application. - Scrolling endlessly horizontally isn't a good way to work efficiently -- and you can't always pin everything to the task bar or desktop -- particularly if you do a lot of photoshop where a basic plain grey background is probably the best place to start from.

Things like Mounting ISO's as a native function, enhanced security, better hardware detection, ease of installation, system recovery, improved performance etc are definitely welcome in W8 and shouldn't be overlooked - even by W8 haters.

The reason W8 isn't selling like W7 is basically because even compared with 2 years ago we use a variety of devices for our computing / internet needs rather than automatically use a computer so sales of laptops / desktops will of course be less than before --although they won't die - at least not for the foreseeable future.

Further new hardware is much more powerful and robust compared with a few years ago so the need to get a new machine is much less now and with the global economy still in a fairly bad way a new computer isn't at the top of most people's wish list.

W8 will come into its own later on in its development cycle -- remember how people absolutely LOATHED XP when it was introduced and Ms's offices were nearly burned down when the interface was changed from the old Windows 3.11 to windows 95 / 98.

The main problem really with W8 is that Ms probably didn't listen enough to people who still need the Classic desktop type of interface and who aren't interested in the Full screen UI. However it IS basically liveable with - but I would still myself prefer the option of switching off Metro completely.

Most people though that I've seen and who are just "normal" users seem to quite like W8 -- my experience seems to be that seasoned I.T workers have the most trouble with it rather than "poor old simple Users".

(I have W8 on a test laptop and a couple of VM's --for my main work I am still using W7 and probably will continue to use W7 for some time yet).

Cheers
jimbo
 

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but does it matter in the big picture? Toyotas outsell Ferraris. But does that matter? Toyotas are cheaper and plenty usable. But when I want to do some things, only the Ferrari can do it.

the market is evolving. but there'll always be the need for real PCs. There was a time when people thought netbooks would kill the traditional PC. But netbooks have faded away and been replaced by tablets.

as for phillipduran and people like him, they can keep climbing every soapbox, trying to keep things the same. but things will change regardless. and that's where entrepreneurs will make their niche market and business. for those that want the Windows 7 style start menu, they can buy those programs. for people that want to have OSX style launchers, they can buy those programs. or better yet, if you don't want to change, then don't upgrade. Windows 7 is still great so you can stay with what you're used to.

But you don't need to try to teach people that Windows 8 is bad because you want to hold on to what you have. And if it's your choice not to upgrade, there's no reason to try to tell people not to upgrade either. It's like when music CD's were dying and people were lambasting the poor quality of digital music, that uncompressed audio CDs had much better quality, etc. etc. that people shouldn't be moving to digital music. or when records went on to CD's, how CDs didn't have the nuance of records and poorer sound quality.

things move on. it's not your job to try to stop things. but yet there are those audiophiles that feel the need to go into every digital media forum and say how music has suffered because of the digital era all the time. as if they're complaining will somehow keep things from changing.

I know part of the reason why people are trying to keep things from moving forward is they feel like they are being forced to move forward. but there's nothing you can do about it. and it does kind of suck to have to upgrade when you don't want to . but just as some devices and software stopped being supported for Windows XP, forcing people to upgrade to Windows 7, it's happening again. but no one says you have to stay on the curve. I know plenty of people who haven't bought software in years, still working away on their Pentium III in Windows XP, using Office 97 or Office XP and that's perfectly fine.

as for how complex things are now... that's more a functionality of familiarity than anything. I'll use my Android/Windows 8 example again. I was lost at how to close a Windows Store app (a swipe down from the top edge of the screen). I had to google how to do it. But I was sitting on the toilet with my Android tablet, did my swipe to close the app, forgetting that I was on my Android tablet and not my Windows tablet. On Android, I had to do multiple steps just to close the app. But with the Windows version of the app, one quick swipe and it's closed. I now think the Android way of closing an app is kind of arcane and old-fashioned.

there are skills I used to have from my Windows 3.11 and Windows 95 days that are far harder and more complex than anything you can do in Windows 8 but they're obsolete at this point. I remember all the cool CLI stuff and toggles I'd do just to make an MP3 with my LAME encoder and other tools. Nowadays, programs like iTunes and Zune do everything better and faster.
 

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