How to reinstate WinMail onto Windows 8 or Windows 10

endeavor · May 25, 2012

How to Reinstate WinMail onto Windows 8 or Windows 10 ..including Server
Windows 7 users go: Here

..updated October, 2019..

Warning

Microsoft no longer supports Windows Mail, aka WinMail. It's recommended you use another well known supported email client. Using WinMail on Win8 or especially Win10 is not supported, and is a special per-user decision who understands completely that reactivating WinMail is for Advanced users who importantly have the Technical Ability to make the changes, have backups of everything including your OS, and to be your own tech support for WinMail going forward. If you decide to complete this tutorial you accept the fact that you are using WinMail as-is. It might be necessary to uninstall other email clients to resolve any WinMail conflicts in some environments. Understand it's likely that new OS updates from Microsoft will break WinMail's operation, and to fix makes it necessary to rerun the tutorial again to reinstate it. With those things in mind, this tutorial was written so that you can rerun it without affecting WinMail user data. Please see this Errata (Bug List) post before you install, to be aware of the current information about known issues using WinMail within Win8/10/Server, these issues are programmatic and in most cases cannot be resolved by this tutorial, and will never be fixed.

Having said all that disclaimer, if you have the technical ability, and can put up with the annoying minor by-product bugs, then like so many of us still enjoy using vista WinMail on Windows 8/10/Server ..ymmv!

..The default language of this tutorials install is English..

Important Time Line Notes - Must Read (click spoiler)

Information

Note: 2012 ..if you run SFC /SCANNOW on Win8/Win10/Server (not Win7) ..most times it Will Break WinMail's operation each time you run it since it also overwrites many of the necessary files within your Windows Mail folder - the way to fix it is easy, once again take ownership of the Windows Mail folder, delete it, and copy/paste a new Windows Mail folder in its place. Also know if you update from Windows 8 to 8.1 and especially Win10/Server, as well with doing many major MS updates that come along, they Will stop WinMail from working by overwriting many of the needed WM programs folder files, change permissions.. ..but no problem, take ownership of the Windows Mail folder again, delete it, replace it with a new one, apply reg file(s) where appropriate, all of which are supplied in the latest attachments.

** Note: 7/2016 ..if doing a repair, then before proceeding, to clear any errant instances of WinMail.exe still running: reboot, or 'end task' on WinMail.exe ...iow, if you're doing a repair of WinMail because it won't start after an update, and you had been clicking WinMail.exe numerous times to get it to open but it wouldn't - then be sure to first reboot Before you start the repair to Clear any errant instances of those WinMail.exe that are still running (there can be many) ..or instead of rebooting you can open Task Manager and 'end task' on any/all running instances of WinMail.exe - but in any case you do it Before you proceed to delete/replace the program folder. The point is you can't (it won't let you) delete it if any instance of WinMail.exe is still running.

Note: 2/2018 ..for Windows 10 latest builds v1709+ or Server 2019+, it is to know that after installing Updates and it breaks WinMail, you will have to re-do All The Steps on Post 1 & Post 2 again - trust me here, it's just faster/easier doing the complete way in the long run! You see, some updates delete/change a few files and registry entries, while others do it much more aggressively removing most all WinMail files and code, and so it's Much Quicker, More Efficient, Complete, and all inclusive to just run the entire procedures again to catch/fix all changes at once! A fresh install of Win10 1709+ now Requires both Post 1 & 2 anyway ..Feel Confident no matter how many times you run this Tutorial, its files and procedures were specifically made to Not change any current_user settings or message store, and so nothing of that will be touched. When you're familiar with doing the procedures, you'll be able to do it all in just a few minutes!

Note: 7/2019 ..for Windows 10 users who upgrade builds over an existing one on v1903+ ..As We Should Always Do Once A Month Anyway, but Especially Before Any Installs or Upgrades - is to First, Create Full WinMail Message Store Backups Before Doing Anything! Recently some people with their WinMail client working well, had upgraded to new Windows 10 builds, and after going through the full WinMail tutorial afterwards to re-instate, only to find their existing WinMail message store was left corrupted from the 'upgrade process itself' experiencing the Save, Send, or Receive error messages 0x800C013E or 0x800C103C similar to these screenshots as shown below:

Or

..Or even without getting any error prompts shown above some users stated it would not send or receive, or just close. The easiest fix to resolve these errors after you had run though all procedures in Post 1 & 2 again, is to then perform a full Restore of the Backup/Restore procedure below, and you'll be back up and running like new again in minutes.
! 9/2019, because of v1903+ upgrades causing many message store corruptions lately, I've now made the Backup/Restore Procedure Step 2 ..Everyone should create a Full Backup now ..and then periodically, but Especially Before You Upgrade!
If however you Did Not :cry:

make or have a full backup available to restore, and find after an upgrade and after you've already run through the full tutorial again, that you still have these errors mentioned above - then as a last resort, in order to remove the message store corruption without that important backup - close WinMail and you'll need to 'Delete' the message store folder. Now when you start WinMail 'without' one, it will create a brand new message store folder from scratch, all set default, and all empty :cry:

..and then unfortunately you'll need to proceed the long way around to set WinMail all up again.
To save yourself all this effort and lost mail, etc ..simply follow the Backup & Restore procedure as outlined in its spoiler below, and create and maintain a recent Full Backup in advance to have ready :geek:

..it takes just a few minutes to create them, and when needed (you will) it takes just a few minutes to restore saving you so much hassle - it can be a real lifesaver! :dance:

(..if in a pinch, and by chance you are geek and lucky enough to have saved a Partition backup of your C:\ Partition at some point, and it had WinMail installed on it, you can also pull that dated message store folder out of it and use that if necessary)

One final note for everyone about this issue, don't mistake Send/Receive errors specifically related to not having your Accounts> Properties> Server & Advanced tabs not filled in properly, with Message Store Corruption Send/Receive errors ..of course these Account setup errors are a different issue.
When first setting up your Accounts, Everyone needs to check with and follow their Own particular Mail Server setup instructions given for these settings when you first fill them out, and each company whether it be Comcast, Yahoo, Gmail, etc ..gives these instructions and each seems to be different in one way or another so be attentive; and whether you use IMAP or POP.

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fwiw, before running this tutorial I've always temporarily disabled UAC, and the latest versions Windows Defender, just so as not to be bothered by any unnecessary nuisance prompts, but of course ymmv. I use a different AV anyway..

Caution: The Win7 Tutorial procedure will Not Work to reinstate WinMail on Win8/10/Server, or vice-versa!
Do not use the attached WinMailEdit.reg here with the one given in the Win7 Tutorial either because it's only for Win8/10/Server! ..if you do then during first install you'll lose SFC usage protection from breaking Win7 WinMail.
Use each tutorials own install procedure for the OS that it's posted for! Only the Backup/Restore Procedure is the same for all.

Warning: Besides Windows 8, if you're keeping a Windows 10 version Before v1709 installed for your use, then Do Not Use Any Attached Files on Post 2 or it will break your WinMail installation! .In conjunction with Post 1, Post 2 is used additionally Only for Win10 v1709+ and Sever2019+ users only!

<tidbit> If there are any Win10 v1703 users out there who still want to stay on v1703 in its older build b16193 or earlier (i can't imagine anyone but just in case) ..understand you can't upgrade past its b16193 point or it'll break WinMail's operation: see spoiler below "Circumvented Info 6/2017"; if however you specifically want v1703 but want to install its latest build (beyond b16199) you still can, but besides post 1 you'll now need to also include post 2 procedures to fix it. Note: in the tutorial to avoid any confusion with these v1703 build specifics, instead of listing v1703_b16199+ ...I just list it as v1709+

Note: Anywhere in the tutorial that there's a + after a version number, indicates it also includes all versions beyond that one; for instance, when it says v1709+ means v1709, 1803, 1809, 1903 and so on. Same with Server 2019+

Important WinMail Backup/Restore procedures! - Must Read (click spoiler)

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WinMail Backup/Restore Procedures

I've now made this Step #2 to encourage you to create a Backup, Before, you do a Windows Update or Upgrade! It will prove to be of ultimate benefit going forward.
Do yourself a big favor right now - First, Create Backups! ..this is for those who already have a previous or current fully working WinMail setup to draw from, otherwise for those who do Not yet already have a fully working WinMail installation to make backups from, skip step 2, your WinMail setup will end up @ default. Of course later when you get WinMail all setup fully working how you want it, this is when you make a Backup, and keep it current. The only time you create a Backup, or do a Restore, is on a Fully Working WinMail setup; or a Restore after you've finished the procedures for your OS version, either after Step 12, or Step 15.

Now I know at the bottom of this tutorial there is a link for a Built-in Import/Export Backup and Restore (Vista Version) and that's fine and is an alternate way of doing it although not nearly as good or complete as what I will explain next, which is specifically for 'WinMail to WinMail' setups; I Much Prefer to do it this next way for a number of beneficial reasons.
This next method is used when you already have WinMail fully setup with all options and settings the way you want, and contains years of Accounts and their settings, Emails, Newsgroups, and all their Folder structures, all your GUI settings, etc, so before you upgrade or do anything - be sure to create this full version backup for safety, so you can always easily recover from any message-store corruptions or whatever happens; or you can also Transfer it to another computer, or even Transfer your entire WinMail setup to different OS's right back to Exactly how it was on the source the day you created it, without the need for 'importing' which never gets things like folder structures right anyway.
This is a direct backup, and assumes you're using the default message store location folder.
There is nothing more comprehensive and completely accurate than this next manual Backup/Restore procedure.

Important: Please be sure to have read in the previous spoiler "Important Time Line Notes" Note: 7/2019, and realize just how important it is that you always have available a recent Full Backup of these Backup/Restore procedures below; and the consequences if you don't with lost mail data - I can't impress upon everyone enough of how important this is going forward!

Create Backups:
On your latest, fully working ..already setup, WinMail, right click and create a zip backup on this Message Store folder:
C:\Users\yourcomputername\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail
..also referred to as: %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail
It contains All the individual Folder Structure layouts within WinMail, and All Mail/News Emails, All Accounts info, etc.
AND, Importantly, Also be sure to:
Regedit right click Export this entire folder key on your latest WinMail setup, that's already been fully setup and options done:
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail"
It contains all settings for the WinMail GUI Layout ..all Tools> Options Settings, Columns, Rules, etc.

The reason for these backups is three fold: To easily repair/recover from a random WinMail corruption, or an OS upgrade that caused WinMail message store corruption having any type of unresolved Save, Send, or Receive, error messages; or to transfer your perfectly working WinMail setup from a previous build or OS version to a new one. And so Always create a full WinMail message store backup procedure BEFORE you upgrade! ..to always be ready to efficiently and easily recover.

To Restore:
When you do a fresh install of a new Windows OS, or an OS Upgrade, or Update, and then to setup WinMail again afterwards you first run through the appropriate steps on its corresponding OS WinMail tutorial first - in order to reverse the WinMail regression done. Now before opening WinMail and After re-running the appropriate WinMail tutorial again, next, you Delete the message store folder that's there, then extract the zip of your Latest saved message store folder in its place, and also merge the latest saved registry export of your personal HKCU reg saved above, so that when you open WinMail it's already setup Exactly like its source in every detail, fully setup with All Emails, Accounts*, Settings, and complete GUI layout, etc.
*The only thing you'll have to do is re-enter the password of your mail and news servers in the Accounts> Properties> Server tab password slots for it (or instead when you first connect to your mail server will prompt you for it to enter, and then checkmark the remember box) ..You should know what your servers name/pass are anyway (have them saved in txt file somewhere) Everything else gets restored Exactly as it was on your recent source - it's so elegantly simple to do. You'll never need to use an Import button on a 'WinMail to WinMail' setup or transfer again - it's a hundred times faster and much more accurate matching its complete source layout.
Obviously 'Always' keep your backups current! ..and Be Careful when you replace the current Windows Mail message store folder: ..first you Delete it, then extract your zip backup in its place - understand it needs to be at the Exact Path! You can select to Extract Here, but no matter what just Be Sure you don't end up with two nested 'Windows Mail/Windows Mail' message store folders one inside the other or it'll break default path and corrupt. Also do NOT extract/copy/paste over itself (on top of) the current folder and its contents which would cause mixing and 'for sure' corruption! ...you need to 'Delete' the old folder first, then, place the new! That's So Important!

This same 'WinMail to WinMail' Backup Information above applies to all - Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10/Server.
There is nothing more comprehensive and completely accurate than this manual Backup/Restore procedure.

Caution: Naturally this procedure won't transfer properly for those who have message store corruption on their Source setups! ..It also may not work correctly for those who have moved their message store folder from its default location to another! ..So don't use it! A modified backup/restore procedure would have to be done (which has not yet been specified) or, on your new setup when you reinstate WinMail not using the Backup/Restore procedure, instead do the rest of the tutorial which starts a fresh WinMail and sets it up from scratch. Then if needed because of a non-WinMail mail client source, you can use the built-in import features, it's not as good, but certainly better than nothing.

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Win8/10/Server x86/x64
Reinstate WinMail: (Please understand everything on these posts is for advanced computer users only)
1. Go to Folder Options, and set these settings as shown in my screenshot below: (click spoiler to see screenshot)

When finished if you prefer, you can put the settings back; I personally leave it, ymmv

2. Create a 'Backup' of the Backup & Restore Procedure, for later use ...read its spoiler above how to do that. Also see Time Line Note 7/2019 !
3. Install Brinks Take Ownership reg from Here (..or for Win10 Here, but registry lines are identical)
4. Then right click on your "Program Files\Windows Mail" folder* and click Take Ownership
* ..always using "Program Files\Windows Mail" folder only! ..x64 users Never touch/use that other folder there called: ''Programs Folder (x86)'' !
5. Then right click on your "Program Files\Windows Mail" folder, and Delete it **
6. Then extract, and copy/paste the attached, x86, or, x64 'Windows Mail' folder in its place... (match your OS bit)
All the Correct files needed are Attached at the bottom of these posts to download - confirm and match your OS bit, x86 or x64; you cannot mix files from one bit into the other!
7. Create a shortcut from the program folder 'WinMail.exe' file you just copied there - to the Desktop (use to start WM 'After' you're all done)
8. extract, copy/paste the attached "msidcrl30.dll'' file over to "C:\Windows\System32\msidcrl30.dll'' (again match your OS bit)
9. extract, merge the attached WinMailEdit.reg (..this reg is for both x86 and x64)
10. extract "Update_5-2018.zip" (bug fix) copy/paste revised msoe.dll to WM programs folder (thanks dadreamer for your work on this and its reg)

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11. For Win10 v1709+ / Sever2019+ users only, continue to Post #2 to finish before opening WinMail; otherwise go to step 12
(anywhere in the tutorial that there's a + after a version number, indicates it also includes all versions beyond that one)
12. You are done..
~ Start WinMail and she opens immediately...
...from here you setup the Windows Mail client as normal...
(click spoiler for more info within)

For those users who already had WinMail working great on another computer setup, and have done a new fresh OS install elsewhere, or have bought a new computer, or have updated their OS, etc, and want to transfer that other working WinMail message store setup, GUI layout, settings, etc, completely 'AS IS' to their new computer setup (or even same setup) please go back and fully read and understand the 'Backup/Restore Procedure' spoiler on how to do that.

You can do a Restore at anytime After you're finished with your WinMail re-instate procedures for your OS version, which is either after Step 12, or Step 15 ..depending on OS version.

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After correctly doing steps 1-12, I had WinMail start up in minutes within each of these OS's shown below:
..installed/tested on both x86/x64

Here's some first open WinMail screenshots I made in 2012 using it on Win8 beta CP, then to Win8.1 Pro, Server 2012 R2, Server 2016
(click spoiler to see screenshots)

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Windows 8 Consumer Preview, 2012

Windows 8.1 Pro, 2013

Server 2012 R2

Server 2016

Here's more WinMail screenshots made on the first Win10 Preview, then to Win10 pro v1507, v1511, v1607, v1703_pre-b16199
(click spoiler to see screenshots)

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Win10 Technical Preview

Windows 10 v1507, b10240

Windows 10 v1511, b10586

Windows 10 v1607 b14393

Windows 10 v1703, b15063
..anything beyond b16199 with v1703 here, also requires post #2 procedures to fix it - for more info see spoiler "Time Line Notes" <tidbit>

All new screenshots for newer versions of Win10 & Server will be in Post #2

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6/2017
Microsoft has removed the OE legacy code of WinMail, see within article here:
Features removed or deprecated in Windows 10
This further affects/breaks Win10 WinMail users starting at Windows 10 v1703 b16199 onward
Windows 8 and Windows 7 WinMail users were unaffected

Updated 5/2018
WinMail is now working again on Windows10 v1703_b16199+ (onward) ..see/implement Post #2 to fix it!
(to avoid any v1703 build confusion - I just list it as v1709+ ..see <tidbit> in Time Line spoiler)

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For using WinMail on Windows10 v1709+ ...see Post #2 for more information
All new procedures & screenshots for these newer versions of Win10 & Server will always be put in Post #2
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Tip

As of October, 2019 the instructions given here supersede all other instructions given in forthcoming older posts. Realize some of the posts that follow are nearly 8 years old, and many of the link pointers within have become mis-linked over time, many of the files or information within them is outdated, incomplete, or superseded with more accurate information - and so be careful. However you can always be sure that the latest info from all research is incorporated into this tutorial post, and its downloads are the latest available. This post is continuously kept up-to-date, and so..
...Always refer to this Tutorial post for the very latest updated information

Good luck, thank you, and long live WinMail

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Related Tutorials

Backup/Restore Procedure 'WinMail to WinMail' (See Backup/Restore Spoiler Above)
Built-in Import/Export Backup and Restore (2007 Vista Version)
Windows Calendar - Import into Windows 7
Windows Mail - Windows 7 Help Forums

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endeavor · May 25, 2012

..updated October, 2019..
WinMail Additional Steps Needed For
Windows 10, v1709 - v1903+
..including Server 2019+

(..do not use these Post 2 steps on earlier OS versions than what's listed here, or it will break WinMail operation)

~ These next steps are Only for Win10 v1709 - v1903+ / Server 2019+ ..all earlier versions of Win10/Win8/Server stay on Post 1!
~ Don't use the next steps without First completing steps 1-11 above, skip step 12 and before opening WinMail, do steps below:

13. extract, copy/paste contents of the attached x64 or x86 -System32.zip, to the System32 folder (match OS bit) .(yes to any file overwrites)
14. extract, then merge both of the two attached .reg files (reg_v1709+.zip & 5-2018_UpdateReg.zip) . (reg's are for both x86 and x64) . 9
15. Then you are done..
~ Start WinMail and she opens immediately..
..from here you setup the Windows Mail client as normal...

All the latest v1709+ WinMail fixes are included, including Advanced Tab fix assist & SendTo Mail Recipient - MAPI

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Here's more screenshots I made using Post 2 OS's, upon first open of WinMail on each of these OS versions:
..installed/tested on both x86/x64 where applicable.

Windows 10 Pro, v1709

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Windows 10 Pro, v1803

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Windows 10 Pro, v1809

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Windows 10 Enterprise, v1809 LTSC

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Server 2019

Server Standard with Desktop Experience (x64)
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Windows 10 Pro, v1903

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Set WinMail as the Default Mail Client (is needed for various functions) ..complete these settings shown in screenshot:

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Everything was fully proven out, also file/registry simplified the procedure, and removed unnecessary redundancy.
Everything was Tested / Working on my own live setups.

Please be sure you read and understand the Errata (Bug List) linked on the first post
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Remember: as it says in the post 1 spoiler notes, that going forward when you install a new Windows Update or Upgrade and it breaks WinMail for the OS versions in this post 2, you will always have to perform the steps in Both Posts 1 & 2 again to fix it. In some cases it may also require you to do a Restore of the Backup/Restore Procedures - and so be sure to create a Backup in the first place! ..Please read and understand all information within the spoiler notes on the first post.

Good luck, thank you, and long live WinMail

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endeavor · May 28, 2012

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phillbrett68 · Nov 21, 2012

hi i am desperately trying to get windows mail back i am using windows 8 64 bit but no matter what i try nothing seems to work can anyone help me out please thanks forum

krohm · Nov 21, 2012

1 dl windows mail and dl take ownership

2 install take ownership

3 right click on the windows mail folder in both program files and program files (x86) and take ownership of both of them and delete them

4 then extract and copy windows mail across to program files (NOT program files (x86)

phillbrett68 · Nov 21, 2012

thats the issue stupid windows refuses to let me take ownership

phillbrett68 · Nov 21, 2012

ok got a step further now i get this with the dll file ok (the module "c:\windows\system32\msidcrl30.dll"
was loaded but the entry point register dllregisterserver was not found
make sure that "c:\windows\system32\msidcrl30.dll" is a valid dll or ocx file and then try again any ideas forum hope to hear from someone soon thanks

Bill818 · Nov 21, 2012

The key is to use this person's msidcrl30.dll file. Using WinMail (Vista version) in Win 8 | Windows 8 Forums

You can also use UNLOCKER 1.9.1 BY CEDRICK 'NITCH' COLLOMB to take control.

elbmek · Nov 21, 2012

I am the opposite, I want to default my mail to gmail???

phillbrett68 · Nov 21, 2012

have tried that get the same error with the dll file ok and i had worked out how to get control thanks anyway will keep note of the unlocker any other ideas let me know thanks

Bill818 said:

elbmek · Nov 21, 2012

Advice taken and downloaded, thats another bug I hate, 'you cannot delete X, Y or Z' - its MY pc I do what I want - sort of, please?

phillbrett68 · Nov 21, 2012

just noticed something quite strange that once i have copied the files over to the program files directory or even once i unzip the files the winmail.exe file just disappears hmm wonder why that is any ideas

krohm · Nov 22, 2012

do what i said,.. ^

phillbrett68 · Nov 22, 2012

hey krohm i followed your exact instructions but it will not work at all so do not know whats going wrong at all any ideas i can delete both directory s but as soon as i try to copy over the files the winmail.exe disapears so do not know whats going on at all i can take ownership that works fine but it falls apart after that ok

krohm · Nov 22, 2012

so the winmail.exe is in program files... then it disappears ? that sounds pretty strange man,.. you sure its in there.. ive had it before where winmail just isnt in there. ok, here is i think a solution i did once

take ownership, delete the folders etc,.. then extract the winmail.zip to a folder in like, your user directory or something.. then copy that windows mail to program files.. then it should work....

phillbrett68 · Nov 22, 2012

ok this is what happens i extract the 64 bit one to a directory called c:\winmail ok and it appears that everything goes ok until i look in the folder everything else is listed except for winmail.exe it just is not listed at all so i look at the folder property and it says their are 10 files in the folder and 1 folder and then i look at the rar file and it says 8 files and one folder whats going on why would their be a difference any ideas

krohm · Nov 22, 2012

so you dont have winmail.exe in your zip folder?! go get it then,..

phillbrett68 · Nov 22, 2012

nah the winmail.exe is in the zip file but the second i extract it it dissapears no matter what i do ok that is what happens

krohm · Nov 22, 2012

well dunno whats going on there,.. sounds like a windows problem rather than windows mail.. ask in other parts of the forum maybe

endeavor · Nov 23, 2012

phillbrett68 said:

All of what you have posted previously was covered in the beginning posts if you are able to understand them technically, but as far as your current post, unless by chance you have malware that's deleting your exe's ..then your answer is as simple that you just haven't made the setting to show system hidden files, and/or changed the HSA attributes on the WinMail.exe, therefore you won't see it. However rather than explaining all those details, if you ran the tutorials automation I mentioned and linked on my previous Post then these issues would have been automatically taken care of and you would have had WM running by now.

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