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    How to Reinstate WinMail onto Windows 8 (or 10**)

    warning   Warning
    Microsoft no longer supports WinMail. It's recommended you use what is supported by Microsoft, or another well known supported email client. Using WinMail on Win8 or especially Win10** is not supported, and is a special per-user decision who understands completely that reactivating WinMail is for Advanced users who importantly have the Technical Ability to make the changes, have backups of everything including your OS, and to be your own tech support for WinMail going forward. If you decide to complete this tutorial you accept the fact that you are using WinMail as-is. It might be necessary to uninstall other email clients to resolve any WinMail conflicts in some environments. Understand it's likely that new OS updates from Microsoft will break WinMail's operation, and to fix make it necessary to rerun the tutorial again to reinstate it. With those things in mind, this tutorial was written so that you can rerun it without affecting WinMail user data. Please see this Errata post before you install, to be aware of the current information about known issues using WinMail within Win7/8/10, these issues are programmatic and in most cases cannot be resolved by this tutorial, and will never be fixed.

    Having said all that disclaimer, if you have the technical ability, and can put up with the annoying minor by-product bugs, then like so many of us still enjoy using vista WinMail on Windows 7/8/10 ..ymmv!


    Advanced users can skip this section, and go on to the next:
    information   Information
    Just for fun I installed WinMail onto Win8 this afternoon (May, 2012) to play a little...
    I was surprised to see that for whatever reason Win8 comes stock with the Program Files Windows Mail folder like it did on Win7, but neither was activated, unlike on Vista where of course we know that the same WinMail files works as is. On Win7 & 8 (and now Win10**) successively MS had built even newer version WinMail files too, but again upon each OS's release WinMail was not activated and so all by themselves the files would not start WinMail until retro modifications were made, similar to what we did on Win7 but it is certainly a different process here where we need to replace the entire programs folder, etc...

    Starting to work out the process on Win8 transferring files from Win7, and to be able to delete the existing whole Program Files Windows Mail folder with the necessary permissions - instead of typing out individual commands, I used our forums administrator Brink who created This neat little Add Take Ownership reg to do it quicker, with benefits. After that then right click on the Windows Mail folder, Take Ownership, and delete the folder. Then copied the existing 'working' Win7 (or Vista) Windows Mail folder over to Win8. Next merge the WinMailEdit.reg (which is nearly identical (minus SxS keys) to the one merged within the process over on the Windows 7 WinMail Tutorial) for its benefits, which makes WinMail more accurate for all the reasons discussed over the years within that forum; this same registry process applies to Win8/10. Also copied Win7 msidcrl30.dll file over to Win8/10 same location ..see the full detailed install instructions along with the attached files, below.

    Note: The first thing to do after you first setup WinMail and get it Working - is then make a copy of your 'Windows Mail' folder and save it aside just for these reasons below:
    ~If you update from Windows 8 to 8.1, or any version of 10, as well with many major MS updates that come along, they Will stop WinMail from working by overwriting many of the needed WM programs folder files and change folder permissions; but no problem, take ownership of the Windows Mail folder again, and delete it, replacing it with your saved Working one to bring it back to life.
    ~Also! ..if you run SFC /SCANNOW on Win8 or Win10 (not Win7 though) ..it Will Break WinMail's operation each time you run it since it also overwrites Many of the necessary files within your Windows Mail folder. The way to fix it is easy, once again take ownership of the Windows Mail folder, delete it, and copy/paste your saved 'working' Windows Mail folder in its place.
    The point is after you perform the install below and have WinMail working, then from there on after...
    Anytime any new MS Windows Updates or SFC /SCANNOW ..breaks WinMail ...is again simply Take Ownership of the Windows Mail programs folder, and delete it, replacing it with your saved 'working' backup one - and you're back in business.
    Note: 4/2017 ..for Windows 10 users after performing new updates on b15063 through b16193, sometimes you'll also have to copy msidcrl30.dll to the System32 folder and merge WinMailEdit.reg again (also see **)

    * Important note: if you are doing a repair of WinMail because it will not start after an update, and you've been clicking WinMail.exe to get it to open but it won't.. ..then be sure to first reboot Before you start the repair to Clear any errant running instances of WinMail.exe; or instead of rebooting you can open Task Manager and end-task on all running instances of WinMail.exe, but in any case do it Before you proceed to delete/replace the program folder.

    Warning: You should not use/swap the attached Win8/10 WinMailEdit.reg with the one given in the Win7 Tutorial process because it's only for Win8/10 ! ...if you do then during first install you'll lose SFC usage protection from breaking WinMail on Win7.
    Also to note the Win7 Tutorial procedure will not work to reinstate WinMail on Win8/10 !
    Ultimately, it's recommended to use each tutorials own install procedure for the OS that it's posted for!
    ________________________________
    The above paragraphs are just previous time-line informational conversation ..although important
    (Internet surfers who use this tutorial and download its files, please consider to log-in to the EightForums - it's free)


    Advanced users start here:
    (...first be sure in Folder Options ..that these settings are set as shown in my screenshot Here)
    1. install Brinks Take Ownership reg from Here (..or for Win10 Here, but registry lines are identical)
    2. Then right click on your "Program Files/Windows Mail" folder* and click Take Ownership.
    * "Program Files/Windows Mail" folder only! ..x64 users don't touch the ''Programs Folder (x86)'' listing!
    * Also remember if your OS is x86 or x64 you cannot mix/substitute files from one into the other!
    * To clear any errant instances of WinMail.exe running - reboot BEFORE proceeding to do a repair.
    3. Then right click on your "Program Files/Windows Mail" folder, and Delete it.
    4. Then copy/paste your saved 'working' Windows 7 (or Vista) 'Windows Mail' folder to Windows 8/10 same.
    ~ All files are now supplied and attached at the bottom of this post!
    5. Create a shortcut from the program folder 'WinMail.exe' file you just copied - to the Desktop.
    6. copy/paste your Windows 7 * ''C:\Windows\System32\msidcrl30.dll'' file over to Windows 8/10 same.
    7. Now merge the WinMailEdit.reg (is for both x86 or x64)
    ~ Then you are done..
    ~ Start WinMail and she opens immediately..
    ...from here you setup the Windows Mail client as normal...

    Anyway, within minutes I had WinMail start up instantly in each of these OS's below.
    Here's the first run screenshots back on Win8 beta CP, to Win8.1, Server, and Win10 up to build 16193
    Screenshots of WinMail on Win8 CP to Win 8.1 Pro & Win Server 2012 R2
    Screenshots of WinMail on Win10 build 9841, 10240, 10586, 14393, 15063, 16193, 16199 ...

    **Note: 6/2017
    Vista WinMail is no longer able to be reinstated on Windows 10 beyond version 1703 build 16193
    Microsoft has removed the OE legacy code of WinMail, see within article here:

    Features removed or deprecated in Windows 10

    Windows 8 and Windows 7 WinMail users are unaffected

    Windows 10 users who still insist on using WinMail, understand in order to do that, they cannot move forward with newer OS versions and so will have to Turn Off Windows Update in Services to stop it from updating version forward ..and from now on instead will have to manually keep their 'same version' updated with the latest Cumulative Update. For instance the Win10 version I prefer to use with WinMail is v1607, where its Cumulative is still continually updated and available
    Here. You'll also want to be sure you have the latest Servicing Stack update for 1607 which is currently available Here, and Flash is Here.
    _____________________________

    Tip   Tip
    As of 8/2017 the instructions given here supersede all other instructions given in forthcoming older posts. Realize some of the posts that follow are nearly 6 years old, and many of the link pointers within have become mis-linked over time, many of the files or information within them is outdated, incomplete, or superseded with more accurate information - and so be careful. However you can always be sure that the latest info from all research is incorporated into this tutorial post, and its downloads are the latest available. This post is continuously kept up-to-date, and so..

    ...Always refer to this Tutorial post for the very latest updated information

    Good luck, thank you, and long live WinMail Click image for larger version


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  2. #2


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    You don't need to "take ownership".

    Simply:
    • Delete "Windows Mail" folder in Windows 8 ("take ownership" not necessary)
    • Copy "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) to the same place (c:\programs)
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    You don't need to "take ownership".

    Simply:
    • Delete "Windows Mail" folder in Windows 8 ("take ownership" not necessary)
    • Copy "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) to the same place (c:\programs)
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
    On a fresh 8 install with no changes, absolutely yes you do need to take ownership, otherwise it will not let you delete the folder, and it prompts you as such see Screenshot ..and once you take ownership then it will let you delete the folder ..not to mention the HSA properties within.
    Last edited by endeavor; 07 Aug 2017 at 13:21. Reason: fix link
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    Yes, now I see: You are right. And that's logically.

    What I have done and not remembered befor:
    I renamed the "Windows Mail" folder to "Windows Mail 8". For this I don't need to take ownership (and that's not logical).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    ...and also remember that the msidcrl30.dll came out of the "C:\Windows\System32" folder and is where it should be put back.



    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    Yes, now I see: You are right. And that's logically.

    What I have done and not remembered befor:
    I renamed the "Windows Mail" folder to "Windows Mail 8". For this I don't need to take ownership (and that's not logical).
    ...renaming your "Windows Mail" folder like you did to Windows Mail 8 ...I don't see how that would work going forward when all registry references to the files within are pointing to the original, I could go on...

    And so since this thread is to Help people who may want to reactivate WM on Win8 I would advise to stick with the known and what works.



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    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    •Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    ...and also remember that the msidcrl30.dll came out of the "C:\Windows\System32" folder and is where it should be put back.
    "msidcrl30.dll" can also be saved in "Windows Mail" folder - not necessary to save it in "C:\Windows\System32"

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    ...renaming your "Windows Mail" folder like you did ...I don't see how that would work going forward when all registry references to the files within are pointing to the original, I could go on...
    You misunderstand me. I meant:
    • Rename "Windows Mail" to "Windows Mail 8" (for not to need take ownership)
    • Create new "Windows Mail" folder (so all registry references still being correct)
    • Copy content of "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) into new created "Windows Mail" folder
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    "msidcrl30.dll" can also be saved in "Windows Mail" folder - not necessary to save it in "C:\Windows\System32"

    You misunderstand me. I meant:
    • Rename "Windows Mail" to "Windows Mail 8" (for not to need take ownership)
    • Create new "Windows Mail" folder (so all registry references still being correct)
    • Copy content of "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) into new created "Windows Mail" folder
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
    Dear NiFu

    ~ I am saying the best suggestion is to place the msidcrl30.dll right back where it came from as it was intended, and that's the "C:\Windows\System32"

    ~ I am saying that without other modifications you cannot just rename the WinMail Folder to WinMail 8 like you say you did and still delete it, and without even testing that idea I know that you can't ...remember HSA files within, etc. Here is yet another screenshot with tested Proof
    ~ In your layout you did not even mention that you have to run the WinMailEdit.reg, of which you do in order to solve all the problems that it does!

    ~ Anyway I'm not going to fuss these issues with you anymore, I'm simply reiterating that my first post is accurate and I've hands on Tested and Proven it every step of the way.

    Thank You
    All The Best




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    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    ~ I am saying the best suggestion is to place the msidcrl30.dll right back where it came from as it was intended, and that's the "C:\Windows\System32"
    Why ? "msidcrl30.dll" is only needed for WinMail - not for Windows 8. So: Why not put it in the folder of Windows Mail ?

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    ~ I am saying that without other modifications you cannot just rename the WinMail Folder to WinMail 8 like you say you did
    I can - and you have done it also.

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    and still delete it
    I haven't deleted it.

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    , and without even testing that idea I know that you can't ...remember HSA files within, etc. Do you want yet another screenshot with Tested Proof, again!
    The screenshot shows exactly what I mean:
    You have renamed the folder to "Windows Mail 8"
    But you cannot delete it. But deletion it not necessary.
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    Semantics! Whether you copy/paste the Windows Mail folder from 7 to 8 is still in essence deleting/replacing everything within the Windows Mail folder on 8 which is what you want to do anyway, and that point still is if it's showing you can't delete 8's folder which still means you can't delete/replace the files within it until you get it's permissions in order! ..but I've already explained all that, it's quite obvious, thank you.
    Last edited by endeavor; 06 Aug 2017 at 15:17.
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  10. #10


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    I think you don't read my post exactly:
    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    Whether you copy/paste the Windows Mail folder from 7 to 8
    I don't copy Windows Mail folder, but content of Windows 7 Mail folder.

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    that point still is if it's showing you can't delete 8's folder
    I don't delete Windows 8 folder, but rename Windows 8 folder.

    Quote Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
    which still means you can't delete/replace the files within it
    I don't delete/replace files, but copy files into a new created folder.

    Read exact - where do you read "delete" or "replace" in the following ???

    • Rename "Windows Mail" to "Windows Mail 8" (for not to need take ownership)
    • Create new "Windows Mail" folder (so all registry references still being correct)
    • Copy content of "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) into new created "Windows Mail" folder
    • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
    • Run "Windows Mail"
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