There is nothing logical about the new windows. I am still speaking about a specific radical change that was forced upon the install base within the common GUI, otherwise known as the start screen. It sucks on a desktop. Sometimes I just want to look at a short list of apps and choose or find a function in the same place it has been all along up to now. I would have met at least one single person within the IT field that I work in who thought as much. This has yet to happen for me, and it has been over a year. The only people I know of who actually like it, exist in this forum. I am 80% sure at least some of them work for Microsoft.
Just because Windows 8 has a PDF reader built in that you don't like (I don't like it either), doesn't mean you would be forced to use it at work. It could also apply to any other version of the OS if the IT folks forced you to use some third party PDF reader that you thought was terrible.If for instance my work PC was upgraded to Windows 8, and the corporate IT folks gave us no way to open PDFs other than Metro's Reader app, my job would suddenly get much harder. And I would have no option to dump it, unless I quit my job which would be a bit too extreme!
Yes but the point is the Reader app itself isn't actually that terrible, the problem is that you can't see it in a window below a spreadsheet or whatever, and that's a design fault in the Operating System, not a fault in the app.Just because Windows 8 has a PDF reader built in that you don't like (I don't like it either), doesn't mean you would be forced to use it at work. It could also apply to any other version of the OS if the IT folks forced you to use some third party PDF reader that you thought was terrible.
You can open a PDF in Reader and have the app open next to Excel. Even if Office went Metro-only, you could still do that, so entering in data from a PDF to a spreadsheet could still be done.Yes but the point is the Reader app itself isn't actually that terrible, the problem is that you can't see it in a window below a spreadsheet or whatever, and that's a design fault in the Operating System, not a fault in the app.
And the same would apply if Office 2014 or whatever became Metro only, which would be harder to persuade the IT folk to change.
No I need it to be arranged horizontally, with one above the other. Side by side is no good because the data I'm usually dealing with very wide and not very deep.You can open a PDF in Reader and have the app open next to Excel. Even if Office went Metro-only, you could still do that, so entering in data from a PDF to a spreadsheet could still be done.
In that case, no IT guy with any sense would force you to use Metro versions of apps because it makes your job more difficult. Come back to me when they do.No I need it to be arranged horizontally, with one above the other. Side by side is no good because the data I'm usually dealing with very wide and not very deep.You can open a PDF in Reader and have the app open next to Excel. Even if Office went Metro-only, you could still do that, so entering in data from a PDF to a spreadsheet could still be done.
(And my current work laptop, which is too recent for them to fork out to get me a new one, has the old-school 1280x800 screen resolution, it doesn't have enough pixels for Windows 8 to Snap side-by-side anyway; I know 8.1 is better but still not sure if it supports Snap on that resolution?)
Yes but the point is the Reader app itself isn't actually that terrible, the problem is that you can't see it in a window below a spreadsheet or whatever, and that's a design fault in the Operating System, not a fault in the app.
And the same would apply if Office 2014 or whatever became Metro only, which would be harder to persuade the IT folk to change.
"That's a large proportion of the Windows 8 hate posse in a nutshell, haha."
Yes but many of us don't get to choose what OS and software we use on computers at work, and it's for tasks at work that Metro is truly hopeless.
If for instance my work PC was upgraded to Windows 8, and the corporate IT folks gave us no way to open PDFs other than Metro's Reader app, my job would suddenly get much harder. And I would have no option to dump it, unless I quit my job which would be a bit too extreme!
Your attention is taken away momentarily anyway, unless you can look through your Start menu and debug sub-routines at the same time.
And as for moot point, the whole whining about no Start menu is moot precisely because there are third party tools that do the job. Windows users have always had to use third party tools to do things that Windows could not do, or that do things better than the built-in options. I've never heard so much ridiculous whining about such a non-issue - and from people who are still using the OS anyway it seems! Folks who hate it enough to whine about something A YEAR after it was released, lol, but haven't quite got the courage of their convictions to dump it and use something else. If I was that mad about something, the first thing I'd do is dump it.
A: "I hate the iPhone, it sucks! Apple need to fix it cos they don't understand their customers at all!"
B: "Oh yeah? What phone do you use then if you hate the iPhone so much?"
A: "iPhone."
B: "................"
^^That's a large proportion of the Windows 8 hate posse in a nutshell, haha.
No I need it to be arranged horizontally, with one above the other. Side by side is no good because the data I'm usually dealing with very wide and not very deep.
(And my current work laptop, which is too recent for them to fork out to get me a new one, has the old-school 1280x800 screen resolution, it doesn't have enough pixels for Windows 8 to Snap side-by-side anyway; I know 8.1 is better but still not sure if it supports Snap on that resolution?)
My point exactly. I couldn't care less about a click count. If I am 10 levels deep in a program debugging subroutines I don't want or need my attention or thought process broken momentarily. It takes much longer than a moment to get your head back into it once diverted.
The hardware is totally adequate to do my job in any version of Windows from XP to 7, so how is that not the fault of the OS?So you are using hardware that is unsupported and inadequate for your job, and you blame the OS. Nice.
Well assuming the corporate decision makers get it right (by no means guaranteed), then yes.In any event, Adobe Reader is still free and can be installed just fine.
My point exactly. I couldn't care less about a click count. If I am 10 levels deep in a program debugging subroutines I don't want or need my attention or thought process broken momentarily. It takes much longer than a moment to get your head back into it once diverted.
I've heard this argument before, and it's frankly it makes no logical sense. It's one of those made up arguments people love to "stick to their guns" about, even though it makes no logical sense.
If you're going into the start menu to launch a new program, your attention is *ALREADY* broken from what you're doing. You can't keep your attention on what you're doing and then go looking for an app 10 levels deep in your start menu at the same time. It's simply not humanly possible. Your attention is diverted regardless.
The start screen opens up and returns you exactly where you were, without changing any of your selections or focused items...
My point exactly. I couldn't care less about a click count. If I am 10 levels deep in a program debugging subroutines I don't want or need my attention or thought process broken momentarily. It takes much longer than a moment to get your head back into it once diverted.
I've heard this argument before, and it's frankly it makes no logical sense. It's one of those made up arguments people love to "stick to their guns" about, even though it makes no logical sense.
If you're going into the start menu to launch a new program, your attention is *ALREADY* broken from what you're doing. You can't keep your attention on what you're doing and then go looking for an app 10 levels deep in your start menu at the same time. It's simply not humanly possible. Your attention is diverted regardless.
The start screen opens up and returns you exactly where you were, without changing any of your selections or focused items...
Lol... I will only remind you that looking at more than one thing is not the same thing as concentrating on more than one thing.
Why is it an issue for you though? That's the bit I don't get.It is a subjective thing. Which is why giving us the option to choose, would have been such a dandy idea.
This is not at all true. I liken it to the difference between walking all the way into a room to get something, vs staying in the room you are in and just glancing into the other room to accomplish what you want.
This is really a taste thing, but for those of us who work on our machines, sometimes with 50 plus windows and putty sessions open, we are not wrong for finding this to be un-intuitive. And if it is perfectly intuitive for you, that is just great, and by all means keep enjoying that greatness.. We are not wrong for feeling the way we feel about it. It is a subjective thing. Which is why giving us the option to choose, would have been such a dandy idea.