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Identifying partitions on HP Pavilion 15 HDD for SSD image

  1. #31


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    Aah, hope I didn't wipe anything valuable - guess I thought I could lose the old OS now I have the Windows USB - but have been moving fast, so slowing down a bit now. Thanks for the tip re merging that 1.01GB partition into the main one. The Recovery Partition remains a mystery. Disk Management wouldn't let me right click to change its letter so I used Partition Wizard to do so. I chose 'no letter'. PW also has an option to explore F but what is it if anything that needs fixing? Here is the new Disk Management -- v interesting process anyway...
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails New Disk Management 2256.PNG  
    Last edited by Damaha; 11 Feb 2015 at 18:18.

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  2. #32


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    Disk Management with Top View = Disk
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  3. #33


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    Ah, I just the option on Partition Wizard to Explore F, and this is what came up:
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Partition Wizard Explorer Recovery F.PNG   install swm.PNG  
    Last edited by Damaha; 11 Feb 2015 at 18:18.
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  4. #34


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    PS Got all the components to put the HDD into DVD caddy - might affect the letter allocated to the drive if i did so. You're so right, totally carried away with this now ha ha. Time to pause....
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  5. #35


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    F was actually a bootable partition.

    I would like to see what is in folders

    sources

    preload (which is the factory production folder and the source of all the other files)

    recovery
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  6. #36


    Penn's Forest
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    It depends on your definition of valuable... I think a good backup is valuable .... but that's water under the bridge. You have your data in the cloud and the HP Recovery partition is still available. Figuring out how to use it is another matter (you could have just booted with the HDD before you deleted the OS - but the Recovery data is still there.)

    HP protects the Recovery partition with an entry in desktop.ini that puts up a window to keep prying hands out of the partition.
    Click image for larger version

    I'm backing out of this thread - the direction was clear, but it's now getting muddled.

    Your system is up and running and that was the goal after answering your inquiry on HP partitions. I try to keep things simple and when simple things become complicated, I give up trying to keep things on track. It's like trying to change a tire on a moving truck.

    I'm only backing out because I don't have much more to add. KYHI can help you create a Recovery drive if that is his plan. I'll stop in to see how things are progressing, but probably won't post anything.

    Bill
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  7. #37


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    Slartybart, I sincerely value your advice so far - thank you very much indeed - you got me to this stage and I'm very grateful. I would really value your thoughts on what I see as the last stages here. It seems things aren't looking too bad - the Windows fresh install is, as you advised, the best possible option. I have a USB with the Windows 8.1 ISO, which as you said, is the key thing. In fact, as my data is all saved on the cloud drives, I have no problem with starting from scratch with the Windows USB again whenever I need it. I realise that I got ahead of myself formatting the old HDD. I had a goal early on of re-using it for the large storage capacity, while keeping the OS on the SSD. This is still where I want to end up.
    As regards the Recovery Partition on the old HD - it's nice to know it's there so long as it is actually useable, which wd be good to verify -- otherwise my only interest in exploring though would be to remove the duplicate entry for F on Disk Management, which is inexplicable.
    I still have the HP Recovery USB (prepared by the retailer PC World, which I purchased, and which is a duplicate of F as far as I can see, and contains the image that you just posted). I can also use this whenever I like. So there are two back-ups if I want to take out the SSD and go back to the old HDD.
    Do I actually need a Recovery drive now I have that great fresh Windows 8.1 ISO which freshened the machine nicely. I would happily use it again - it doesn't affect my data. If so, I wd even remove the Recovery Partition and return the Recovery USB for a refund if I could!
    So my main aim right now is to make that Unallocated large partition on the old HDD useable so I can put my data back on it. I think I can click on this and choose 'Create' on PW and work from there...
    Thanks v much again - I really appreciate your expertise in all this - excuse my haste earlier - no disrespect meant, just keen to jump in! I am away from the machine after tomorrow for a few days so it is tempting to rush ahead.
    Last edited by Damaha; 12 Feb 2015 at 20:12.
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  8. #38


    Penn's Forest
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    No sweat Damaha, thank you for your kind words, and you're more than welcome.

    It think we saw the same vision for the HDD in a caddy, just different approaches. No harm, no foul.
    Best laid plans of mice and men....

    There's always a way ... I have two questions and I think KYHI was following that thread (he was always following that thread )
    1) The PC World recovery USB didn't seem to work when you tried it in post# 23. You mentioned that you might contact the retailer - that's still a good idea.

    2) The HP Recovery partition still on the HDD might be bootable and you might be able to create a Recovery drive that way. KYHI might be working on that, but he'll need some help from you.
    The easiest way I know to see the contents of a HP Recovery partition is to launch Disk Management, right-click the partition and choose Explore.
    The warning HTML should not be displayed and you have full access to the partition.

    Do you need the Recovery drive? Some might say yes, but since I started doing clean installs, I've never used the HP Recovery media. Note that I do have in case there is something I need, but between the HP site, other OEM sites and Microsoft - there hasn't been that need.

    The only thing I can think of is that the license key might be in the Recovery media. In the rare case of extreme catastrophe (the machine got fried), that would be your only avenue of installing Windows on a bare bones HP replacement machine.

    Do I think you should create an HP Recovery drive - YES.

    I'm going to defer to KYHI on that though, he seems to understand this well enough.

    The space you have now is greater than the space you previously had, be patient and do nothing about the HP Recovery partition until you have a working external copy.

    Sure, use the space that is unallocated - I tend to use native commands whenever possible.
    Disk Management works just as well as PW, there are things only PW does or that PW makes 'easier', so I use the tool that best suits the job.

    Bill
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    Last edited by Slartybart; 13 Feb 2015 at 08:57.
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  9. #39


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    Many thanks indeed -- that is great to know. I am going ahead with turning the main partition on the old HDD into storage and placing my cloud data on it. This is getting very close to completing the task for me. What is great to know is that I can re-install Windows 8.1 any time I like, re-install a few programmes, and replace my cloud data, and I'll have everything I need once again. This seems excellent to me - very simple and secure. The machine itself seems just fine, now noticing the acceleration from the SSD, the quietness of the drive, and when accessing data, the relatively brief use of the HD motor. Still getting used to it, but all very pleasing.
    The exploration of the Recovery partition is kind of an afterthought now. It's nice to have double security, even if, as you've found, the HP Recovery methods have not been vital. I won't have a space problem any time soon so am happy to leave the partition there, though doubt I will use it any time soon either. I post below some exploratory pictures (I can only seem to get into it using PW), including Sources, Preload, and Recovery.
    The only unexplained thing (which doesnt seem to be causing any problems) is why a duplicate entry for the Recovery Partition still appears in Disk Management. I notice that one entry is marked NTFS, the other isn't. Strange -- but not creating any problems with functionality at present. Could just ignore I guess.
    I wd happily create the new HP Recovery drive - it is a bit of a pain that I paid a sizeable fee for the USB from the shop when it seems likely I could have made my own for free pretty quickly which actually works! I hadn't wanted to pay for it- they told me they had no stock without the USB thrown in! I might tell them it didn't work, give it back, and make my own.
    But as I say, these are extra forms of back up, and so far as I can see, my Windows 8.1 iso USB is my main back up.
    Thanks very much again for all your help -- nearing 'problem solved' status, unless you have any more useful tips!
    I was reading about moving the Users folder from C to the HDD, so as to maintain the connexion between One Drive and the Documents/Pictures/Music folders on Users, but it sounds like this just messes up the machine. It is a superficial little disconnect in Windows Explorer. I might read up a bit on these matters but there is no rush - any thoughts welcome of course.
    I'd better draw things to a close soon, but hope the images below are of interest, KYHI - thanks to you both.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails preload 1.PNG   Preload 2.PNG   Exploring Recovery.PNG  
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  10. #40


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    Windows 3.1 > Windows 10


    Thank You - I found what I was looking for..
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