Num Lock on Startup Anomaly

A great summary of your efforts thus far so I will acknowledge same and give you an "A" for effort! Unfortunately, I (personally) am out of ideas so good luck to you in your quest for a solution.


my2cents
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel G2020
    Motherboard
    ASRock B75M-DGS R2.0
    Memory
    8GBs @ 1333 MHz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 840 EVO
    PSU
    400w
    Internet Speed
    57/11
I found a "solution" that said that Num Lock won't work with a Microsoft account because of security! Unbelievable!!!! So, I changed from a Microsoft account to a Local account. It still doesn't work. Sigh . . . This was in the Microsoft forums.

I'm changed back to a Microsoft account because of all the stupid pop-ups. Microsoft doesn't make it easy to do things my way!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
I found another way that works for me.

With computer on, press Num-Lock key to turn it on.

Either restart or shut down & press power button to restart.

Either way,when the computer is finished starting,the Num-Lock light is on.

If this doesn't work for you,I really don't know,unless there is a third party program that will do it. :(

What I have found of late is that if I do a restart, NumLock will be on when computer "restarts". But if I do a total shutdown and then boot with the power button, NumLock isn't on.

I found this out by accident while still "testing" every time I started or restarted the computer . . . the above pattern was shown, but still isn't the answer. Sigh . . .
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Have you tried to turn off Fast boot? When my system 'fast boots' to the login screen, numlock is off although everything in BIOS, Registry and whatever has numlock enabled at startup. If it does a cold start or restart numlock is on as it should be. Since the login of 8.1 on my sytem is much faster than on 8 (probably the only one good thing about it), I leave fast boot disabled and have numlock always on.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 32-Bit
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home made
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 4670
    Motherboard
    AsRock z87m Pro4
    Memory
    4 GB 1600 12800U
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Graphics 4600
    Sound Card
    HD Audio
    Hard Drives
    SSD Samsung 840 Pro 128 GB
    2 TB WD Green
    PSU
    Cooler Master Silent Pro MII 420 W
    Case
    Cooler Master Silencio 650 Pure
    Cooling
    Semi passive: Thermalright Macho HR-02 Rev.A, Scythe Gentle Typhoon 800 rpm
Have you tried to turn off Fast boot? When my system 'fast boots' to the login screen, numlock is off although everything in BIOS, Registry and whatever has numlock enabled at startup. If it does a cold start or restart numlock is on as it should be. Since the login of 8.1 on my sytem is much faster than on 8 (probably the only one good thing about it), I leave fast boot disabled and have numlock always on.

Yeah, turning off fast start is in the summary of the things I've done to try to get it working. And, since I only have to reach to the top of the number pad to turn it on, I'm wondering why I've gone to all this trouble to get it working. Methinks it's just because I don't want a piece of equipment getting the best of me. At any rate, the computer will be going in for repair tomorrow, and if it comes back without NumLock working, I'll just accept it as it is and move on . . .

Oh, and BTW, on the dual boot computer that NumLock quit working on after update to 8.1? Well, as of yesterday, NumLock is working on Startup and I have no idea why; I haven't done anything, not even installation of any new programs.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
I updated to Win8.1 and it still doesn't work. Go figure.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron
    Antivirus
    Norton
I'm trying to get this to be consistent on my Toshiba Satellite Laptop. People talk about setting
HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Keyboard\InitialKeyboardIndicators to 0 or 2. I'm wondering why mine is 2147483648 ??

Edit: I backed up Registry with ERUNT then changed this reg key to zero, since I want Numlock off at startup. So far stuff seems normal.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad
I'm trying to get this to be consistent on my Toshiba Satellite Laptop. People talk about setting
HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Keyboard\InitialKeyboardIndicators to 0 or 2. I'm wondering why mine is 2147483648 ??

Edit: I backed up Registry with ERUNT then changed this reg key to zero, since I want Numlock off at startup. So far stuff seems normal.

Sheesh! You want it off and I want it on!? What's this world coming to?

Seriously, so far, my HP "store bought" computer refuses to turn on NumLock at startup, which is what I need and want. I have a ten-key pad on all my computers, both desktop and laptop and I absolutely do not see why HP doesn't want me to use NumLock! When I asked HP Support, I was told it was for security! Since all I have to do is press the NumLock key to get my number keypad to work, I find that explanation hard to swallow.

Grrrrrrrrr, but I'm happy you got it to do what you want.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Grrrrrrrrr, but I'm happy you got it to do what you want.

It is a strange thing. Have you tried using the Registry Run key to run a program that sets numlock on? I believe stuff run from the Run registry key is run before login.

I have a utility RunIt that adds a program, batch or shortcut to the key. You may download from here:
Miles Ahead Software

See the included Readme.txt for usage.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad
ssame as milesahead

had that same number in my reg to (numlock off) weird!!!, reset mine to 2 (numlock on) in 8.0, upgraded to 8.1 via store still working OK . ASUS X55A, (dont laugh, touch wood this is the only querk ive had.

Roy
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    x55a asus
    Antivirus
    bitdefender
    Other Info
    this laptop was/is still posted on asus website as W7
had that same number in my reg to (numlock off) weird!!!, reset mine to 2 (numlock on) in 8.0, upgraded to 8.1 via store still working OK . ASUS X55A, (dont laugh, touch wood this is the only querk ive had.

Roy

Been there, done that, and the number's still a 2 and noooooooooooooo NumLock on startup!

And as you can see further up the thread, I've tried everything ever suggested and nothing has worked so far.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
power settings

Hi Wynona,
as i said earlier mine works OK,
more info
Ive changed my power settings,>>> within MS <<<, not the pre-loaded (ASUS in my case), i assume HP has its own version

Maximum power setting
Never put comp to sleep
NO Sleep/Hibernation/Hybrid sleep/allow wake timers disabled
Fast start-up dissabled
Password not required on start-up.(note running on local user with no password required on login)
lid close shutdown
power shutdown
sleep Do Nothing

PCI link state Off

something more to try

Roy

note i have also deleted ASUS faststart prog
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    x55a asus
    Antivirus
    bitdefender
    Other Info
    this laptop was/is still posted on asus website as W7
I've been fighting this issue for some time also. Finally found a solution for my PC. This link covers disabling Fast Start and the Registry change to "2."
Fix: Num Lock is not active on startup or reboot in Windows 7 | 8

But here's what I had to do before it worked:

- Turn off Fast Start, AND
- Change ALL the instances of "InitialKeyboardIndicators" to a value of "2" in the registry. There were 3 or 4 instances of this variable (sorry, I forget--just use "find next" to get to all of them.)

Hang in there, Wynona, and try this one.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home Build
    CPU
    i7-4770K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Gryphon Z87
    Memory
    G.Skill Ripjaws 2x8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 750 Ti 2GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dells (2)
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1200
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 840 EVO, 240 GB SSD; WD Black 1TB
    PSU
    Seasonic 750W Gold
    Case
    Bitfenix Prodigy M - White
    Cooling
    NZXT Kracken 40
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech M310
    Internet Speed
    11Mbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    MS Defender
I've been fighting this issue for some time also. Finally found a solution for my PC. This link covers disabling Fast Start and the Registry change to "2."
Fix: Num Lock is not active on startup or reboot in Windows 7 | 8

But here's what I had to do before it worked:

- Turn off Fast Start, AND
- Change ALL the instances of "InitialKeyboardIndicators" to a value of "2" in the registry. There were 3 or 4 instances of this variable (sorry, I forget--just use "find next" to get to all of them.)

Hang in there, Wynona, and try this one.

I would, but I kinda like Fast Start. What I will do is go to the registry and find all instances of Initial Keyboard Indicators and change them to 2s. As far as I know, I've only changed one so far.

Thanks.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Wooooooooooo Hooooooooooooo, I finally found a fix to have NumLock on by default!

Left Alt+Left Shift+NumLock . . . You'll be asked if you want to use Mouse Keys . . . Click Yes.

Shut down the system, restart and NumLock should be on by default.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Wooooooooooo Hooooooooooooo, I finally found a fix to have NumLock on by default!

Left Alt+Left Shift+NumLock . . . You'll be asked if you want to use Mouse Keys . . . Click Yes.

Shut down the system, restart and NumLock should be on by default.

Well, that didn't last more than one bootup . . . I just got disgusted and gave up at this point.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Wynona, you have certainly been through lots of "solutions" with no luck. Are you ready for one more I haven't seen in reading through this thread? On the Start screen, type "regedit", press Enter, click on HKEY_USERS, Default, Control Panel, Keyboard. Refer to attachment and change "Initial Keyboard Indicator" to the number shown. If that doesn't work, change the last two numbers to 50. Good Luck!

C.B.
 

Attachments

  • NUM LOCK.PNG
    NUM LOCK.PNG
    3 KB · Views: 137

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba Satellite C75D-B7260
Wynona, you have certainly been through lots of "solutions" with no luck. Are you ready for one more I haven't seen in reading through this thread? On the Start screen, type "regedit", press Enter, click on HKEY_USERS, Default, Control Panel, Keyboard. Refer to attachment and change "Initial Keyboard Indicator" to the number shown. If that doesn't work, change the last two numbers to 50. Good Luck!

C.B.


OK, I tried, but still no joy. Sigh . . . One more "solution" to knock off the list. Or add to it.

First I changed the number from 2 to your number; however, I believe in the past I changed this number to 2. When that didn't work, I changed 48 at the end of the number to 50. Nope, didn't work either.

I notice that KeyboardDelay is set at 1 . . . would a 3 or 5 maybe give the keyboard more time to activate NumLock?

What about the keyboard speed? Currently, I seem to be a bit faster than the keyboard; when I type several characters, I inadvertently miss one or two, which hasn't happened very much in the past. I type somewhere between 70 & 85 WPM (slowed down since I'm not working every day). Oh, and BTW, I keep the keyboard clean and it's not always the same characters MIA.

Thanks for your help.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Very sorry to hear it didn't work, Wynona. BTW, I love your avatar, am also from Texas and 86 years old so you are supposed to be helping me! :D I think the Keyboard Speed registry entry is related to the repeat speed made in Keyboard Speed Settings and Keyboard Delay, as you suspect, is the delay after touching the key before it actuates so I would assume 1 is the fastest key actuation you can get.

C.B.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba Satellite C75D-B7260
Very sorry to hear it didn't work, Wynona. BTW, I love your avatar, am also from Texas and 86 years old so you are supposed to be helping me! :D I think the Keyboard Speed registry entry is related to the repeat speed made in Keyboard Speed Settings and Keyboard Delay, as you suspect, is the delay after touching the key before it actuates so I would assume 1 is the fastest key actuation you can get.

C.B.

Ah, OK, thanks for the info on the keyboard stuff in the Registry.

Thanks for the compliment on the Avatar; I used to keep ferrets, but after a couple or three losses and my heart being pulled right out of my chest when they died, I just couldn't go through that again. So that's why StarFerret keeps popping up around the forums. :)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 500-056
    CPU
    AMD Elite Quad-Core A8-6500
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 8570D
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 23"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    Fast
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Back
Top