MS puts a hard block on MSE because it is incompatible with Win8 CP.

Got this Windows update yesterday.

KB2685194 - Application Compatibility release for Windows 8 Consumer Preview

This update introduces a hard block on Microsoft Security Essentials. A hard block prevents an application that is incompatible with Windows 8 Consumer Preview from running on the computer. This hard block is being introduced because Microsoft Security Essentials is incompatible with Windows 8 Consumer Preview.

 

[M1GU31]

I disabled windows defender and am using AVAST instead,runs really good.

 

[jimbo45]

I disabled windows defender and am using AVAST instead,runs really good.

Hi there
what does this actually Buy you -- AVAST don't have access to the latest MS Kernel and do you have to run Manual updates to get the latest VIRUS definitions from a database.

Windows defender does this all SEAMLESSLY IN REAL TIME -- and as Ms hasn't released the windows kernel to some of these 3rd party AV suppliers you are relying on are using the W7 version which IS NOT THE SAME KERNEL as W8.

Believe me the days of free 3rd party AV software are over -- no need for it.

Protecting Corporate networks is another issue - but that's not the problem here.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Night Hawk]

The Windows Defender in 8 is far from what was seen in 7 namely the MS SE under a different name. The old WD would never have flagged a trojan found stored on a storage drive or device.

I suspect the main reason why you would be seeing the SE included with the 8 CP is mainly from MS making it widely available without the need to sign up to beta test any beta, RC builds as seen with the previous versions of Windows. You won't hear any favorable reports if everyone gets nailed by some bug right after downloading the CP now would you?

They wanted everyone to have a look without worrying about the need for an av but for the Previews only not the retail product to come later. There you are on your own!

 

[FuturDreamz]

The Windows Defender in 8 is far from what was seen in 7 namely the MS SE under a different name. The old WD would never have flagged a trojan found stored on a storage drive or device.

I suspect the main reason why you would be seeing the SE included with the 8 CP is mainly from MS making it widely available without the need to sign up to beta test any beta, RC builds as seen with the previous versions of Windows. You won't hear any favorable reports if everyone gets nailed by some bug right after downloading the CP now would you?

They wanted everyone to have a look without worrying about the need for an av but for the Previews only not the retail product to come later. There you are on your own!

You positive about this?

 

[Calico]

The Windows Defender in 8 is far from what was seen in 7 namely the MS SE under a different name. The old WD would never have flagged a trojan found stored on a storage drive or device.

I suspect the main reason why you would be seeing the SE included with the 8 CP is mainly from MS making it widely available without the need to sign up to beta test any beta, RC builds as seen with the previous versions of Windows. You won't hear any favorable reports if everyone gets nailed by some bug right after downloading the CP now would you?

They wanted everyone to have a look without worrying about the need for an av but for the Previews only not the retail product to come later. There you are on your own!

I would doubt that's true. Microsoft have beed offering MSE, as a option with Windows Updates, for a while now, so including MSE in Windows 8 is not significantly different. It's also worth reading Protecting you from malware

 

[DooRules]

FWIW, before I knew that MSE = Defender, I advised someone to install MSE. This was over a week ago. They reported back that the OS would not let them. So they already had this covered - not sure why they issued this new block at all.

It let me install it every time, several times now.

 

[HQuest]

Microsoft was sued in Europe by providing IE with base OS instead of "allowing people to choose which browser they prefer".

Will this happen again with Anti-Virus makers vs MSE/WD?

 

[Scramjet]

Thanks GMan I was just curious as I'm quite happy with it .... it does the job. The AV companies will be panicking when w8 takes off it'll make buying AV pointless.

Just my opinion, but I don't think the AV companies will go out of business for the simple reason that MS Operating system is hacked so much that we need 3rd party applications to protect us.

cheers

 

[GMan]

How is a 3rd party security program going to protect better than Defender, even if there are lots of vulnerabilities found?

 

[Scramjet]

Believe me the days of free 3rd party AV software are over -- no need for it.

Protecting Corporate networks is another issue - but that's not the problem here.

Cheers
jimbo

Well jimbo you may know a lot more about the MS operating system then most of us. I don't doubt that at all. But past history of MS security protection has proven that hackers love a challange. Once bitten and hope never again That is why 3rd party AV software was created. That is why we trust them over MS and willing to pay for their protection and support.
I give it 3 months after launch and the forums will be reporting security hacks. The day MS is bulletproof I will eat my hat
Many of us like MS operating system because it fits our needs of every day use. But not all of what MS includes in there OS release is suitable for us.
I trust MS to run all my applications but I trust 3rd party AV to protect me better.
JMO

cheers

 

[glennc]

The reason Norton disables Defender is because rule #1 of Windows computing is: Only have one antivirus installed and working at a time.

It's the same reason why it is advisable to either remove Norton or Avast.

They have drivers and these drivers at times do not want other drivers like them active at the same time.

Howdy Gman,
I know this axiom and thought I was abiding by it. By using only one AV as active protection and the other shut off, I have (again maybe luck) have used this scheme for over a decade. I have never seen an issue, actually I never saw an issue in the long past where running two av's at the same time occur. So I guess the answer is that no, mse is still blocked and unusable.
Thanks G the Man!
Glenn

 

[FuturDreamz]

Microsoft was sued in Europe by providing IE with base OS instead of "allowing people to choose which browser they prefer".

Will this happen again with Anti-Virus makers vs MSE/WD?

I don't think so.

The difference is that the user WILL install a browser right away, while they may completely ignore antivirus. WD automatically disables itself when you install a different av program.

 

[Mike Lonewolf]

let me explain to you (everyone) A 2nd party security product will render MS's protection inactive.
So run your AVGs, your Avasts, your Comodo, etc. All is fine.

 

[glennc]

let me explain to you (everyone) A 2nd party security product will render MS's protection inactive.
So run your AVGs, your Avasts, your Comodo, etc. All is fine.

Hello Mike Lonewolf,
Sorry, but I just popped in for a look see and noticed your post. You seem to indicate that Comodo is now functional in W8?
Thanks for any info regarding that!
Glenn

 

[Calico]

let me explain to you (everyone) A 2nd party security product will render MS's protection inactive.
So run your AVGs, your Avasts, your Comodo, etc. All is fine.

Hello Mike Lonewolf,
Sorry, but I just popped in for a look see and noticed your post. You seem to indicate that Comodo is now functional in W8?
Thanks for any info regarding that!
Glenn

For anyone interested - Comodo Beta for Windows 8 CP

 

[Mike Lonewolf]

Thanks Calico, came in and see Glenn's request, and seen you already posted the link.

 

[Night Hawk]

The Windows Defender in 8 is far from what was seen in 7 namely the MS SE under a different name. The old WD would never have flagged a trojan found stored on a storage drive or device.

I suspect the main reason why you would be seeing the SE included with the 8 CP is mainly from MS making it widely available without the need to sign up to beta test any beta, RC builds as seen with the previous versions of Windows. You won't hear any favorable reports if everyone gets nailed by some bug right after downloading the CP now would you?

They wanted everyone to have a look without worrying about the need for an av but for the Previews only not the retail product to come later. There you are on your own!

You positive about this?

Windows Defender wouldn't have flagged a trojan on a secondary drive like you would see with any program featuring an active protection. It flagged the bug being an executable as soon as I opened the utility folder it was in not having even clicked on it.

You wouldn't see that type of malicious code detection in just WD alone while you would expect to see it in an av program which brings you right back to the MS SE. I suspect MS made sure to add a bit more effective antimalware protection in the CP since it would only see temporary usage but protect just anyone who wanted look regardless of total noob to geek.

In fact the Security Essentials actually missed the same exact file as well as another one found in 2010 when going to change the regular av program.

 

[glennc]

let me explain to you (everyone) A 2nd party security product will render MS's protection inactive.
So run your AVGs, your Avasts, your Comodo, etc. All is fine.

Hello Mike Lonewolf,
Sorry, but I just popped in for a look see and noticed your post. You seem to indicate that Comodo is now functional in W8?
Thanks for any info regarding that!
Glenn

For anyone interested - Comodo Beta for Windows 8 CP

Thanks Calico,
I am going to guess it isn't a straight install??? Appreciate your informations!
Glenn

 

[glennc]

Thanks Calico, came in and see Glenn's request, and seen you already posted the link.

Howdy,
Thanks for your response to my inquiry! I hope it isn't hard to do.......
Cheers
Glenn

 

[Calico]

Hello Mike Lonewolf,
Sorry, but I just popped in for a look see and noticed your post. You seem to indicate that Comodo is now functional in W8?
Thanks for any info regarding that!
Glenn

For anyone interested - Comodo Beta for Windows 8 CP

Thanks Calico,
I am going to guess it isn't a straight install??? Appreciate your informations!
Glenn

No major problems, but when you have installed CIS - it doesn't offer to reboot, but do so anyway - you'll probably get the Program Compatibility Assistant dialogue, just select 'Run the Program without getting' and tick the box for Don't show the message again.