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Windows 8.1 Update 1 leaked

  1. #101


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    For the most part, I still find 'Metro' Windows 8/8.1/8.1.1 impractical for no touch/desktop users; some fun things to fool around with, but mostly impractical. (I do, however, find the PDF Reader handy!)
    That's funny! I thought the metro PDF Reader was impractical.
    One of the first things I always do is install a desktop PDF reader / editor / creator program.

    If the update puts the taskbar on the start screen, that would be a plus for many.
    In addition, what's impractical about a Launchpad? More than just FUN or a toy to play with, it is very useful and removes the clutter from the desktop! There's no need for touch in any way! Mostly, desktop docks have a limited number of shortcuts available without jamming the wallpaper with icons. Then one adds desktop icons that adds more clutter to the wallpaper. If clutter is not a problem, then paste away!

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    One can use explorer pins on the taskbar or exploding toolbars, but they have limited function. Mega nesting does not add to efficiency. So what's impractical? One can pin or paste an unlimited number of shortcuts to the metro UI which has no effect on desktop real estate. And semantic zooming groups everything automatically. Seems fairly practical to me.

    An IT support engineer could simply swap desktop icons with tiles to execute any desktop program.
    What's the effort issue with pressing the WinKey?

    If one is desperate to stay focused on the desktop screen, that would seem to indicate a problem exists.

    Full screen apps exist on the desktop all the time. Overlapping windows hide segments of other windows and screen real estate and creates confusion. How is that practical? Basically to use the desktop efficiently, one has to snap desktop windows (so to speak) so that all sectors are visible. Cascading windows can be problematic because every window covers another window. If one is doing a lot of copy and paste work, or translations or financial work, every sector of a window must be visible and all the desktop icons or launchable shortcuts are hidden if the taskbar is hidden by autohide.

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    If not, the taskbar is limited in its use by width unless the taskbar is expanded vertically which reduces the screen space. So the desktop UI design of a separate screen for shortcuts is very practical.

    As far as metro Apps go, there is no need to use them unless one finds a use for them.

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  2. #102


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    For the most part, I still find 'Metro' Windows 8/8.1/8.1.1 impractical for no touch/desktop users; some fun things to fool around with, but mostly impractical. (I do, however, find the PDF Reader handy!)
    That's funny! I thought the metro PDF Reader was impractical.
    One of the first things I always do is install a desktop PDF reader / editor / creator program.

    If the update puts the taskbar on the start screen, that would be a plus for many.
    In addition, what's impractical about a Launchpad? More than just FUN or a toy to play with, it is very useful and removes the clutter from the desktop! There's no need for touch in any way! Mostly, desktop docks have a limited number of shortcuts available without jamming the wallpaper with icons. Then one adds desktop icons that adds more clutter to the wallpaper. If clutter is not a problem, then paste away!

    Click image for larger version

    Click image for larger version


    One can use explorer pins on the taskbar or exploding toolbars, but they have limited function. Mega nesting does not add to efficiency. So what's impractical? One can pin or paste an unlimited number of shortcuts to the metro UI which has no effect on desktop real estate. And semantic zooming groups everything automatically. Seems fairly practical to me.

    An IT support engineer could simply swap desktop icons with tiles to execute any desktop program.
    What's the effort issue with pressing the WinKey?

    If one is desperate to stay focused on the desktop screen, that would seem to indicate a problem exists.

    Full screen apps exist on the desktop all the time. Overlapping windows hide segments of other windows and screen real estate and creates confusion. How is that practical? Basically to use the desktop efficiently, one has to snap desktop windows (so to speak) so that all sectors are visible. Cascading windows can be problematic because every window covers another window. If one is doing a lot of copy and paste work, or translations or financial work, every sector of a window must be visible and all the desktop icons or launchable shortcuts are hidden if the taskbar is hidden by autohide.

    Click image for larger version

    If not, the taskbar is limited in its use by width unless the taskbar is expanded vertically which reduces the screen space. So the desktop UI design of a separate screen for shortcuts is very practical.

    As far as metro Apps go, there is no need to use them unless one finds a use for them.
    Wow!, logic who would have guessed. . .
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  3. #103


    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    As far as metro Apps go, there is no need to use them unless one finds a use for them.
    I knew it ,I knew there was a reason I rarely went there, or had to leave my desktop
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  4. #104


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I don't think it matters, I'd go to 8.1. You should be able to update to 8.1.1 or whatever it is, once its released. My point was, according to what was posted, you have to do a couple of other updates before you do the update 1 thing. Conceivably it could go like this: Windows 8.0 > patch so 8.1 update shows up in Windows store > update to 8.1 though the store > patch again as a prerequisite to update 1 > apply update 1.
    Thanks for the explanation; it looks a little simpler now. However . . .

    What bothers me, Alpha, is that it seems I have to give up control over my own computer(s) in order to get updated. I just don't like that at all.
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  5. #105


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Wow!, logic who would have guessed. . .
    Thanks Lee.

    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    As far as metro Apps go, there is no need to use them unless one finds a use for them.
    I knew it, I knew there was a reason I rarely went there, or had to leave my desktop
    I have no sense of humor so let me just make this point. Are you kidding? You do realize the metro UI is not an App? You do realize, the desktop UI is an App? You understand the "desktop" can be closed. You get that booting to the desktop is an autoload of an App? Don't get me wrong critics, Win32 cannot be closed, but the desktop is not Win32. It is a shell that can be closed. Can you close the metro UI? No. The desktop is restricted space. There are limits left, right, top and bottom. There is no future for single screen computing. Multi screens are the future of code and programming. The sooner one understands code evolution, the sooner system errors and infections will be minimized or eliminated. For those that relish the desktop, it is probably the worst and most insecure network interface in existence.

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    Unless a system is disconnected from the net, it is at risk.
    The classic shell will not protect you. Explorer.exe will be phased out at some point.

    The Updates coming are not just cosmetic.
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  6. #106


    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Wow!, logic who would have guessed. . .
    Thanks Lee.

    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    As far as metro Apps go, there is no need to use them unless one finds a use for them.
    I knew it, I knew there was a reason I rarely went there, or had to leave my desktop
    I have no sense of humor so let me just make this point. Are you kidding? You do realize the metro UI is not an App? You do realize, the desktop UI is an App? You understand the "desktop" can be closed. You get that booting to the desktop is an autoload of an App? Don't get me wrong critics, Win32 cannot be closed, but the desktop is not Win32. It is a shell that can be closed. Can you close the metro UI? No. The desktop is restricted space. There are limits left, right, top and bottom. There is no future for single screen computing. Multi screens are the future of code and programming. The sooner one understands code evolution, the sooner system errors and infections will be minimized or eliminated. For those that relish the desktop, it is probably the worst and most insecure network interface in existence.

    Click image for larger version

    Unless a system is disconnected from the net, it is at risk.
    The classic shell will not protect you. Explorer.exe will be phased out at some point.

    The Updates coming are not just cosmetic.
    yeah,was just kidding
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  7. #107


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I don't think it matters, I'd go to 8.1. You should be able to update to 8.1.1 or whatever it is, once its released. My point was, according to what was posted, you have to do a couple of other updates before you do the update 1 thing. Conceivably it could go like this: Windows 8.0 > patch so 8.1 update shows up in Windows store > update to 8.1 though the store > patch again as a prerequisite to update 1 > apply update 1.
    Thanks for the explanation; it looks a little simpler now. However . . .

    What bothers me, Alpha, is that it seems I have to give up control over my own computer(s) in order to get updated. I just don't like that at all.
    I'm not sure what you mean by that "give up control" comment. Me I'm not all that keen on doing big updates like going from 8.0 to 8.1 though the store. I'd rather just go right to 8.1 on a clean install. That's why I hope they eventually produce an 8.1.1 ISO that does it all in one shot. None of this going back and forth from Windows update to the Windows Store to get the current release.
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  8. #108


    Leaked Windows 8.1 Update 1 Build Features Enhanced User Account Control Protection

    In Windows 8.1 Update 1, Microsoft is adding password-protection to User Account Control, so every time you wish to install a new program or launch a system utility you need to provide the administrator password.
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  9. #109


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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Leaked Windows 8.1 Update 1 Build Features Enhanced User Account Control Protection


    In Windows 8.1 Update 1, Microsoft is adding password-protection to User Account Control, so every time you wish to install a new program or launch a system utility you need to provide the administrator password.
    I'd be fine with the extra password protection on a Standard Account, but don't see the need for it with an Admin Account. The annoyance factor would be way up there. If they think people are complaining about UAC now wait and see what happens if they do that.
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  10. #110


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Leaked Windows 8.1 Update 1 Build Features Enhanced User Account Control Protection


    In Windows 8.1 Update 1, Microsoft is adding password-protection to User Account Control, so every time you wish to install a new program or launch a system utility you need to provide the administrator password.
    I'd be fine with the extra password protection on a Standard Account, but don't see the need for it with an Admin Account. The annoyance factor would be way up there. If they think people are complaining about UAC now wait and see what happens if they do that.
    . . . sounds like a page out of the Linux Manual. . .
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