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Microsoft envisions a future where apps are 'Bingified'

  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Your just jealous because the voices only talk to me.
    You mean you get replies? Damned unfair that is!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Your just jealous because the voices only talk to me.
    You mean you get replies? Damned unfair that is!!!
    I have a habit of thinking out loud sometimes, especially if I think I'm alone in the room. That was my classic reply when one of my co workers caught me talking to myself.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Your just jealous because the voices only talk to me.
    You mean you get replies? Damned unfair that is!!!
    I have a habit of thinking out loud sometimes, especially if I think I'm alone in the room. That was my classic reply when one of my co workers caught me talking to myself.
    I had to laugh because a few nights ago I said to myself "I've got to stop talking to myself." I don't want to be mistaken for a crack head. I never saw anyone on crack until I came to Miami. It's weird how they talk like they're in some other space time discontinuum. One guy asked me how to get to CVS Pharmacy. I didn't figure out he was asking for CVS until 10 minutes after he walked away. He kept sayin' "See Vehhhh" "See Vehhhh."
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  4. #34


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Dont like ads in certain apps, especially the Bing apps? > Dont use the app or buy the Pro version.
    That's correct, not using the search charm/Bing app, obviously, will prevent transferring search term and results to Bing/MS. On the other hand, the Windows 8.1 Professional does have the search charm...

    Dont like Bing in your search? Turn it off. (Don't forget other categories there)

    Search Online with Bing - Turn On or Off in Windows 8.1

    Attachment 32352

    You want control? Push the link just under the "Clear" button there: Your privacy and Microsoft personalized ads
    Sounds good, but that's not how it actually works. Grab your copy of Wireshark, disable Bing search, use the search charm, and you'll see something like this, if you filter by destination:

    Click image for larger version

    For me, turning it "Off" would mean that there's no connection to Bing, not just hiding the Bing results on the local machine. Seemingly, Microsoft has a different point of view on this subject, that actually counts for anything for the most part. The MS view may even become standard, LG already do the same with their latest TVs:

    Your TV now watching you too! LG Smart TV caught collecting owners' Habits and USB file names | The Hacker News - Security Blog

    LG also gives an option to disable this "feature", but just like Windows 8.x Bing app, it continues to "call home" and sends the data. The difference is that LG does not use TLS/SSL to send the data while Bing app does.

    The option of disabling these futures is nice to have, but doing so should actually disable it. If it doesn't, the Microsoft/LG privacy policies and statements about personalized ads mean nothing.
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  5. #35


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    What is an Evangelism team?

    Is that the same as a propaganda branch?

    I expect they will be telling us that gathering our data is all for our own good.

    Strange that some defend these large corporations. I read recently that kind of behaviour may be related to the Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  6. #36


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    Maybe I should start unhiding all my Bing stuff.
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  7. #37


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    What is an Evangelism team?

    Is that the same as a propaganda branch?

    I expect they will be telling us that gathering our data is all for our own good. (Emphasis mine...)

    Strange that some defend these large corporations. I read recently that kind of behaviour may be related to the Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Couple of more CryLock type of malware and most people will be happy that they don't need pay the ransom...
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  8. #38


    Quote Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
    ......That's correct, not using the search charm/Bing app, obviously, will prevent transferring search term and results to Bing/MS. On the other hand, the Windows 8.1 Professional does have the search charm...

    Sounds good, but that's not how it actually works. Grab your copy of Wireshark, disable Bing search, use the search charm, and you'll see something like this, if you filter by destination:.

    For me, turning it "Off" would mean that there's no connection to Bing, not just hiding the Bing results on the local machine. Seemingly, Microsoft has a different point of view on this subject, that actually counts for anything for the most part. The MS view may even become standard, LG already do the same with their latest TVs:

    LG also gives an option to disable this "feature", but just like Windows 8.x Bing app, it continues to "call home" and sends the data. The difference is that LG does not use TLS/SSL to send the data while Bing app does.

    The option of disabling these futures is nice to have, but doing so should actually disable it. If it doesn't, the Microsoft/LG privacy policies and statements about personalized ads mean nothing.
    Thanks for posting this. Interesting and rather disturbing if true.

    Quite honestly, Im not familiar with this program nor am I that advanced to what all that all means. I understand IP address and protocol type. I somewhat understand the upper pane as being traffic, the middle is filtered results Im assuming, and I have no idea of the lower one. Some questions:

    204.79.197.200 is Bing (server) IP address I take it?

    Are you logging on with local or MS account?

    If MS account, do you have all these off?

    Attachment 32463

    What about the rest in that section?

    If local account, it also sends the data?

    What about syncing with services and/or accounts?
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  9. #39


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Thanks for posting this. Interesting and rather disturbing if true.
    I wish it wasn't true...

    Quite honestly, Im not familiar with this program nor am I that advanced to what all that all means. I understand IP address and protocol type. I somewhat understand the upper pane as being traffic, the middle is filtered results Im assuming, and I have no idea of the lower one.
    That's pretty much it, the lower one is the actual data being transferred over the wire, encrypted, and displayed in hexadecimal...

    Some questions:

    204.79.197.200 is Bing (server) IP address I take it?
    Yes, the PTR DNS entry shows: 204.79.197.200 any.edge.bing.com

    Are you logging on with local or MS account?
    It does not matter, the results are the same....

    If MS account, do you have all these off?
    What about the rest in that section?
    Yes, and anything else that can be turned off...

    If local account, it also sends the data?

    What about syncing with services and/or accounts?
    Skydrive sync for the MS account had been disabled, as soon as I could after installation, after deselecting all default on options. The storage space used by the MS account is 128 KB of the available 7.00 GB for about four month now.

    As stated earlier, if you don't use the search charm, there's no connections to Microsoft. Other searches, such as within Windows Explorer and command prompt do not initiate any connections as of yet. In my pessimistic view, it's waiting for the next SP (a.k.a. version 8.2) to integrate these searches into the search charm/Bing App.

    Within the desktop, if you right click on the new style "Start" icon, you can select "Search" that opens up the search charm as well. Instead of typing in the search term, like in previous versions of Windows...
    Last edited by Cr00zng; 27 Nov 2013 at 19:21. Reason: Spelling, what I could find....
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  10. #40


    @ Cr00zing

    Ok, very good. Thanks for posting again. It's not that I don't believe you, I think we need to be careful when pointing fingers. Don't think for a minute that I won't look into this further.

    I see there's a few of us watching this thread at this moment. I just got up from a nap and read this. I need to do a few things. You can bet your next check I'll be back......

    Some reading for some in the meantime:

    History of the hippie movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Youth International Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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