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Windows 8.1 first look: Finally, Windows the way you want

  1. #121


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    A nice, clean and modern looking Start menu with no loss in usability. Familiarity and simplicity is key right? Opening up a modern style application:

    ...

    That's how I believe Microsoft could have gotten a very good reputation in the market. Usability and consistency is important, but Microsoft likes to make itself look bad. If you think about it, Windows Vista was a beta of Windows 7. It feels like Windows 8 is a beta of Windows 9. There's a pattern here lol. Again, Windows 8.1 does not make any difference. However you can make it look like that with 3rd party tools but that's annoying and most people would prefer to not waste their time doing that.
    Why exactly would Microsoft have done that when they have planned for the desktop to go away completely? Why would they push people towards a deprecated feature that is only there for backward compatibility?

    That would be like Apple pushing people to use PPC applications after they had moved to Intel processors.

    Or better yet, that would be like Microsoft pushing people to the old Windows 3.1 Program Manager in Windows 95.

    Imagine if this is what you had seen when you booted up Windows 95 for the first time:

    Click image for larger version

    All in the name of pleasing a small minority of people that refuse to change with the times.

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  2. #122


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Why exactly would Microsoft have done that when they have planned for the desktop to go away completely? Why would they push people towards a deprecated feature that is only there for backward compatibility?
    They can 'plan' for it all they want. They can wish to 'deprecate' it all they want. It will not happen.

    The only way you can truly deprecate something is by replacing it with something better. They haven't. No matter how much they develop modern, it will never replace the desktop interface. There is simply functionality that is too cumbersome to do within walled gardens and the entire interface is a step back in usability in order to highlight specific programs. But seriously man, I understand you're sort of new to this analysis thing and are willing to swallow Microsoft's line without question, but you just sit back and wait.

    The desktop isn't going anywhere.
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  3. #123


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    A nice, clean and modern looking Start menu with no loss in usability. Familiarity and simplicity is key right? Opening up a modern style application:

    ...

    That's how I believe Microsoft could have gotten a very good reputation in the market. Usability and consistency is important, but Microsoft likes to make itself look bad. If you think about it, Windows Vista was a beta of Windows 7. It feels like Windows 8 is a beta of Windows 9. There's a pattern here lol. Again, Windows 8.1 does not make any difference. However you can make it look like that with 3rd party tools but that's annoying and most people would prefer to not waste their time doing that.
    Why exactly would Microsoft have done that when they have planned for the desktop to go away completely? Why would they push people towards a deprecated feature that is only there for backward compatibility?

    That would be like Apple pushing people to use PPC applications after they had moved to Intel processors.

    Or better yet, that would be like Microsoft pushing people to the old Windows 3.1 Program Manager in Windows 95.

    Imagine if this is what you had seen when you booted up Windows 95 for the first time:

    Click image for larger version

    All in the name of pleasing a small minority of people that refuse to change with the times.
    I'll change if it's worth it. Your 'vision' is not.

    Accept it, and stop running others down.

    8 is OK, 8.1 is better.

    But I will not follow down the always-connected, always-pay' route that you and MS seem to want to drag us.

    We Aussies have a very colourful way of getting our point across, I wish I could use it here, because you just don't seem to be getting it.

    Why not go over and post on ZDnet instead, it's full of Messianic characters like you who believe yours is the only way forward.


    Now, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this, as I will not be sucked into an argument then banned, as has happened to some others.

    But I will NOT resile from my stance on the cloud, tablet/phone 'computing' or the encouragement of computer-illiteracy endemic to the 'vision' (turning a tablet on and logging into Farcebook or Twit is NOT 'computer literacy, despite what you may believe. IMO, it isn't even computing, any more than watching a TV show makes you a movie producer).

    Get used to it, as I'm not going away. Nor are MILLIONS like me. The 'desktop' paradigm WILL prevail, despite MS and people like you.


    Wenda.
    Last edited by Wenda; 06 Jul 2013 at 22:56.
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  4. #124


    Posts : 86
    Windows 8.1 Pro & OS X Mavericks


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Why exactly would Microsoft have done that when they have planned for the desktop to go away completely? Why would they push people towards a deprecated feature that is only there for backward compatibility?
    They can 'plan' for it all they want. They can wish to 'deprecate' it all they want. It will not happen.

    The only way you can truly deprecate something is by replacing it with something better. They haven't. No matter how much they develop modern, it will never replace the desktop interface. There is simply functionality that is too cumbersome to do within walled gardens and the entire interface is a step back in usability in order to highlight specific programs. But seriously man, I understand you're sort of new to this analysis thing and are willing to swallow Microsoft's line without question, but you just sit back and wait.

    The desktop isn't going anywhere.
    Well said Chrisa. The desktop cannot be deprecated and if Microsoft is doing that, they're gonna fail no doubt about it. If you see futuristic movies, which inspires many technology companies, there's always a holographic display with multiple windows, multiple functions, and a whole lot of changing numbers and other little things lol, but that is still a desktop no matter how you look at it. The difference is, it has been innovated to use full control of the finger, or multiple fingers. Of course keyboards exists because it feels natural. The keyword here is Full Control.

    Even writing a 10 page research report is more efficient on the desktop. You have complete control with the precision of the cursor.
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  5. #125


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Imagine if this is what you had seen when you booted up Windows 95 for the first time:

    Click image for larger version

    All in the name of pleasing a small minority of people that refuse to change with the times.
    Oh, and btw.. imagine if the tiled interface is what you had seen if you booted up Windows 95 for the first time. It would have gotten laughed off the market, with AOL suing for copyright infringement and stealing their 'look and feel'.
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  6. #126


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    LOL. Metro is intended to get users into the online services , subscriptions, ads, and other monetising schemes. That is why it is so prominent.

    Interesting in 8.1 they are allowing skip start screen and have that thing asking you to opt in to their data collection rubbish.

    That is because MS know some of us are fully aware of what metro is for.

    Therefore, they have decided to do it gradually, like boiling forgs.
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  7. #127


    Somewhere in USA
    Posts : 233
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    A nice, clean and modern looking Start menu with no loss in usability. Familiarity and simplicity is key right? Opening up a modern style application:

    ...

    That's how I believe Microsoft could have gotten a very good reputation in the market. Usability and consistency is important, but Microsoft likes to make itself look bad. If you think about it, Windows Vista was a beta of Windows 7. It feels like Windows 8 is a beta of Windows 9. There's a pattern here lol. Again, Windows 8.1 does not make any difference. However you can make it look like that with 3rd party tools but that's annoying and most people would prefer to not waste their time doing that.
    Why exactly would Microsoft have done that when they have planned for the desktop to go away completely? Why would they push people towards a deprecated feature that is only there for backward compatibility?

    That would be like Apple pushing people to use PPC applications after they had moved to Intel processors.

    Or better yet, that would be like Microsoft pushing people to the old Windows 3.1 Program Manager in Windows 95.

    Imagine if this is what you had seen when you booted up Windows 95 for the first time:

    Click image for larger version

    All in the name of pleasing a small minority of people that refuse to change with the times.

    Still amazed at how the same 10 or so people here still feel they represent the world that cannot stand to have their desktops touched one bit or it's the end of their world.
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  8. #128


    Posts : 902
    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    LOL. Metro is intended to get users into the online services , subscriptions, ads, and other monetising schemes. That is why it is so prominent.
    Quite right... that is the overwhelming reason for metro. What baffles me, is that the pro-metro crowd don't seem to 'get' this.....
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  9. #129


    Somewhere in USA
    Posts : 233
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    LOL. Metro is intended to get users into the online services , subscriptions, ads, and other monetising schemes. That is why it is so prominent.
    Quite right... that is the overwhelming reason for metro. What baffles me, is that the pro-metro crowd don't seem to 'get' this.....
    No. What you don't get is..... We all know this, and we don't care.

    What else you got?
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  10. #130


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    . . .again, and again; the same thing just another day. For almost a year now it is just the same thing day, after day. No one on either side as been able to prove anything whatsoever. The only thing taken away from these discussions is that no one is sure as to the plans Microsoft has for the future of Windows. As to those who thank MS is going to go broke you really need to rethink that idea.

    I enjoy reading these threads, so don't take anything bad or indifferent from this post other then the fact I enjoy this back and forth banter. . .

    Wow, three years and 700 post, am I a posting fool or what?????.....
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