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Do consumers really want touchscreen PCs? (Because I don't

  1. #111


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    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Professional digital artists that work with a touch monitor (usually a Wacom one) will ALWAYS use a stylus.

    When you have the two, the need for the mouse is just not there anymore
    So obviously you mean that simply because we have paint and brushes, that there is OBVIOUSLY no need for a pen, a pencil, a crayon, your fingers, a spray can, a stencil, etc. Right? :>

    To get rid of any input always infers a level of digression in functionality specific to that ability, and a level of usability that has been lost by users specific to that mode of input. Either way, you've answered your own question when you mention the stylus, given its similarities to the mouse. As such, invariably to be able to accept stylus input, you already have all of the abilities of the mouse. So, even if you wanted to DROP the mouse altogether, you more than likely couldn't. Disregarding a for-sure class-action lawsuit under the ADA, someone would simply roll out third-party support.

    In other words, Good Luck With That. And try playing Diablo 3 with a stylus, or a lot of other games(Call of Duty with a stylus YEE HAW), that would be a hoot :P.

    IMO, all modes of input should be considered equal. Use what works best for you, and who cares. Its like the guys who don't want touch on a monitor as it'll give 'gorilla arm'. They act like suddenly a mouse and keyboard will go away and you'll be waving your arms like a fool for hours on end and not simply using touch when the times call for it, and kb/mouse all other times. Its meant to supplement, not replace, the other modes of input.

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  2. #112


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Because I prefer two full screens of content over two shrunken down ones. If I did need two snapped (I have, don't worry) I go to the Desktop. If not, if it's something simple, I just use the immersive IE 10 as I have for the vast majority of my time on Windows 8 since day one. I have a touch enabled mouse, which makes doing such MUCH quicker than a standard mouse. I'm able to switch around real quick.
    I do the same thing. I also prefer as many full screens of content as is possible. Switching between them is easy. Shrunken windows are there for now as desktop utilities. Best of Luck with forum sports.
    The battle of views seems to be very competitive.
    Still, I could never tolerate such polarized views.
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    Is there any way we could try to reduce or eliminate the bolding, resizing and red lettering of quotes or other?
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  4. #114


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Professional digital artists that work with a touch monitor (usually a Wacom one) will ALWAYS use a stylus.

    When you have the two, the need for the mouse is just not there anymore
    So obviously you mean that simply because we have paint and brushes, that there is OBVIOUSLY no need for a pen, a pencil, a crayon, your fingers, a spray can, a stencil, etc. Right? :>

    To get rid of any input always infers a level of digression in functionality specific to that ability, and a level of usability that has been lost by users specific to that mode of input. Either way, you've answered your own question when you mention the stylus, given its similarities to the mouse. As such, invariably to be able to accept stylus input, you already have all of the abilities of the mouse. So, even if you wanted to DROP the mouse altogether, you more than likely couldn't. Disregarding a for-sure class-action lawsuit under the ADA, someone would simply roll out third-party support.

    In other words, Good Luck With That. And try playing Diablo 3 with a stylus, that would be a hoot :P.

    IMO, all modes of input should be considered equal. Use what works best for you, and who cares. Its like the guys who don't want touch on a monitor as it'll give 'gorilla arm'. They act like suddenly a mouse and keyboard will go away and you'll be waving your arms like a fool for hours on end and not simply using touch when the times call for it, and kb/mouse all other times. Its meant to supplement, not replace, the other modes of input.
    As I've already said...

    What I obviously should be more concise is that touch will replace the mouse, but it can still be used if needed. I'm not going to be fully replacing my mouse when I have a touchscreen because of PC gaming, which since the GUI was made, revolved around the mouse and continues to this day.

    There are similarities of a stylus and a mouse of course, difference is that a stylus is held in your hand in a more natural way than a mouse. Are you expecting me to draw with a mouse?

    Also, a lady I know that works at a retirement home started using ipads over mouse computers. They found that a lot of the old folk really liked the touching aspect of the ipad, as it made sense over, "Now move the mouse cursor to here." Look and tap. That's it. It's also easier on people who have arthritis in their hands as hold a mouse isn't very ideal, versus looking and tapping.
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  5. #115


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Professional digital artists that work with a touch monitor (usually a Wacom one) will ALWAYS use a stylus.

    When you have the two, the need for the mouse is just not there anymore
    So obviously you mean that simply because we have paint and brushes, that there is OBVIOUSLY no need for a pen, a pencil, a crayon, your fingers, a spray can, a stencil, etc. Right? :>

    To get rid of any input always infers a level of digression in functionality specific to that ability, and a level of usability that has been lost by users specific to that mode of input. Either way, you've answered your own question when you mention the stylus, given its similarities to the mouse. As such, invariably to be able to accept stylus input, you already have all of the abilities of the mouse. So, even if you wanted to DROP the mouse altogether, you more than likely couldn't. Disregarding a for-sure class-action lawsuit under the ADA, someone would simply roll out third-party support.

    In other words, Good Luck With That. And try playing Diablo 3 with a stylus, that would be a hoot :P.

    IMO, all modes of input should be considered equal. Use what works best for you, and who cares. Its like the guys who don't want touch on a monitor as it'll give 'gorilla arm'. They act like suddenly a mouse and keyboard will go away and you'll be waving your arms like a fool for hours on end and not simply using touch when the times call for it, and kb/mouse all other times. Its meant to supplement, not replace, the other modes of input.
    As I've already said...

    What I obviously should be more concise is that touch will replace the mouse, but it can still be used if needed. I'm not going to be fully replacing my mouse when I have a touchscreen because of PC gaming, which since the GUI was made, revolved around the mouse and continues to this day.

    There are similarities of a stylus and a mouse of course, difference is that a stylus is held in your hand in a more natural way than a mouse. Are you expecting me to draw with a mouse?

    Also, a lady I know that works at a retirement home started using ipads over mouse computers. They found that a lot of the old folk really liked the touching aspect of the ipad, as it made sense over, "Now move the mouse cursor to here." Look and tap. That's it. It's also easier on people who have arthritis in their hands as hold a mouse isn't very ideal, versus looking and tapping.
    I thought I am not gonna say anymore, but obviously I (and everyone else) did not put words into your mouth because we clearly have the same understanding of what you said (actually they were written so even if we read them over and over again, it still has the same meaning for us).
    So let me correct you, do not use the word "REPLACE", just say "a good (if you believe so) ALTERNATIVE" to a mouse.
    Older people or anyone (including me) favor the iPads not because of "touch" aspect but because nobody wants to lug around a desktop pc inside a purse (if it even fits) and the iPad's interface is very simple and fluid. Give them a windows 8 tablet and they will throw it away.
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  6. #116


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    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post

    So obviously you mean that simply because we have paint and brushes, that there is OBVIOUSLY no need for a pen, a pencil, a crayon, your fingers, a spray can, a stencil, etc. Right? :>

    To get rid of any input always infers a level of digression in functionality specific to that ability, and a level of usability that has been lost by users specific to that mode of input. Either way, you've answered your own question when you mention the stylus, given its similarities to the mouse. As such, invariably to be able to accept stylus input, you already have all of the abilities of the mouse. So, even if you wanted to DROP the mouse altogether, you more than likely couldn't. Disregarding a for-sure class-action lawsuit under the ADA, someone would simply roll out third-party support.

    In other words, Good Luck With That. And try playing Diablo 3 with a stylus, that would be a hoot :P.

    IMO, all modes of input should be considered equal. Use what works best for you, and who cares. Its like the guys who don't want touch on a monitor as it'll give 'gorilla arm'. They act like suddenly a mouse and keyboard will go away and you'll be waving your arms like a fool for hours on end and not simply using touch when the times call for it, and kb/mouse all other times. Its meant to supplement, not replace, the other modes of input.
    As I've already said...

    What I obviously should be more concise is that touch will replace the mouse, but it can still be used if needed. I'm not going to be fully replacing my mouse when I have a touchscreen because of PC gaming, which since the GUI was made, revolved around the mouse and continues to this day.

    There are similarities of a stylus and a mouse of course, difference is that a stylus is held in your hand in a more natural way than a mouse. Are you expecting me to draw with a mouse?

    Also, a lady I know that works at a retirement home started using ipads over mouse computers. They found that a lot of the old folk really liked the touching aspect of the ipad, as it made sense over, "Now move the mouse cursor to here." Look and tap. That's it. It's also easier on people who have arthritis in their hands as hold a mouse isn't very ideal, versus looking and tapping.
    I thought I am not gonna say anymore, but obviously I (and everyone else) did not put words into your mouth because we clearly have the same understanding of what you said (actually they were written so even if we read them over and over again, it still has the same meaning for us).
    So let me correct you, do not use the word "REPLACE", just say "a good (if you believe so) ALTERNATIVE" to a mouse.
    Older people or anyone (including me) favor the iPads not because of "touch" aspect but because nobody wants to lug around a desktop pc inside a purse (if it even fits) and the iPad's interface is very simple and fluid. Give them a windows 8 tablet and they will throw it away.
    I guess I'll have to dumb my words down some or make meaning more concise as to me, all I ever was trying to say is that when you have a touch screen especially with a stylus, the need for the mouse isn't so much there anymore that you can really justify keeping it for EVERYTHING. Yes, it can be used still, but not so much.

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    The ipad's interface is simple for some, too simple for others. That's why you'll see salespeople at wireless store pushing the iphone for older people who have never used a smartphone because of it's simpleton UI of poke and jab to open everything, let along the skeuomorphic design. THAT'S probably the best reason why, as there are still things in ios and mac os that probably older people will appreciate.
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  7. #117


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    As I've already said...

    What I obviously should be more concise is that touch will replace the mouse, but it can still be used if needed. I'm not going to be fully replacing my mouse when I have a touchscreen because of PC gaming, which since the GUI was made, revolved around the mouse and continues to this day.

    There are similarities of a stylus and a mouse of course, difference is that a stylus is held in your hand in a more natural way than a mouse. Are you expecting me to draw with a mouse?

    Also, a lady I know that works at a retirement home started using ipads over mouse computers. They found that a lot of the old folk really liked the touching aspect of the ipad, as it made sense over, "Now move the mouse cursor to here." Look and tap. That's it. It's also easier on people who have arthritis in their hands as hold a mouse isn't very ideal, versus looking and tapping.
    I thought I am not gonna say anymore, but obviously I (and everyone else) did not put words into your mouth because we clearly have the same understanding of what you said (actually they were written so even if we read them over and over again, it still has the same meaning for us).
    So let me correct you, do not use the word "REPLACE", just say "a good (if you believe so) ALTERNATIVE" to a mouse.
    Older people or anyone (including me) favor the iPads not because of "touch" aspect but because nobody wants to lug around a desktop pc inside a purse (if it even fits) and the iPad's interface is very simple and fluid. Give them a windows 8 tablet and they will throw it away.
    I guess I'll have to dumb my words down some or make meaning more concise as to me, all I ever was trying to say is that when you have a touch screen especially with a stylus, the need for the mouse isn't so much there anymore that you can really justify keeping it for EVERYTHING. Yes, it can be used still, but not so much.

    Click image for larger version

    The ipad's interface is simple for some, too simple for others. That's why you'll see salespeople at wireless store pushing the iphone for older people who have never used a smartphone because of it's simpleton UI of poke and jab to open everything, let along the skeuomorphic design. THAT'S probably the best reason why, as there are still things in ios and mac os that probably older people will appreciate.
    Hahaha... you rely too much on thesaurus my friend. Try Merriam Webster sometimes.

    ALTERNATIVE - offering or expressing a choice
    REPLACE - to put something new in the place of

    Thesaurus is dumber than users sometimes. If you look up "touch" on thesaurus, it will give you a "finger"...hahaha...
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  8. #118


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    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post

    There's still this solution to "Can you clean your touch screen with Windex or something? "
    -Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

    A Cat can do it too, but you have to drip chicken liver juice over your touch screen or they'll just ignore it.
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  9. #119


    Will you guys stop it? You guys are talking past each other. One guy is talking from the perspective of an artist and he obviously doesn't need the mouse as much. Another is talking from the perspective of a technical field and he still needs the mouse to work with programs like autocad and microstation.

    Look, I'm a field engineer so nowadays I can't really live without both. When I inspect some documents back at the office, a mouse is infinitely helpful. When I'm on the move or out in the field, the touchscreen works way better than any mouse or touchpad out there.

    Just because I have a hammer doesn't mean I'm going to give up my pliers in my toolbox. A worker tasked with just hammering the nails might think that there's no need for pliers, and a worker tasked with pulling out crap might think the only thing needed are the pliers. These two dudes could talk past each other all they want. The fact remains that they are both very valuable tools that cannot be missed.
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  10. #120


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Will you guys stop it? You guys are talking past each other. One guy is talking from the perspective of an artist and he obviously doesn't need the mouse as much. Another is talking from the perspective of a technical field and he still needs the mouse to work with programs like autocad and microstation.

    Look, I'm a field engineer so nowadays I can't really live without both. When I inspect some documents back at the office, a mouse is infinitely helpful. When I'm on the move or out in the field, the touchscreen works way better than any mouse or touchpad out there.

    Just because I have a hammer doesn't mean I'm going to give up my pliers in my toolbox. A worker tasked with just hammering the nails might think that there's no need for pliers, and a worker tasked with pulling out crap might think the only thing needed are the pliers. These two dudes could talk past each other all they want. The fact remains that they are both very valuable tools that cannot be missed.
    Well stated! :thumbup:

    Lol! Back in the day sometimes I'd hold the nail with the needle nose pliers to start a nail in hard spots where fingers wouldn't fit. Now I have pneumatic nail guns, but I continue to keep my pliers and hammer in the tool box for use.

    As OP I stated that I'm going to experiment with a touch screen. Will it work? I won't know until I try. I see some think it to be silly. I give a rat's a--. We all have to find our own way.
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