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    Quote Originally Posted by snoop101 View Post

    Its difficult for me to understand why RIM didnt just dump the OS they have been working on for years and just, like you mentioned, skin Android. They could then focus on providing elite quality hardware, hook it into their 'secure....' email system, and the applications would already be there.

    The management at RIM is worse than bad.
    I use a Blackberry Bold and couldn't agree more. Haven't got my hands on the new 10 as I'm locked into a contract but cannot disagree about using Android which is evolving all the time. We will see but they (BB) do have some catching up to do.

    On a positive side they do have a very solid user base albeit probably a bit small to survive unless 10 turns out to be a cracker with real world benefits.

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    RIM didn't appear to see the fall coming.

    Tough for them now - the product they have might be good - but that is not necessarily enough.

    They don't have a gigantic current user base - and I don't think they can find a couple of billion to promote it.

    Let's hope they at least do ok. Only a stupid selfish person would like to see them bite the dust.

    MS do appear to be able to respond to what the market is telling them. They try things on - that's for sure, but this move to the previous Office licensing is a good sign. It should work out fine for them.

    Next thing is to get rid of the dealbreakers from the main os. They can do that with Blue. They can turn it around still.
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  3. #193


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    RIM didn't appear to see the fall coming.

    Tough for them now - the product they have might be good - but that is not necessarily enough.

    They don't have a gigantic current user base - and I don't think they can find a couple of billion to promote it.

    Let's hope they at least do ok. Only a stupid selfish person would like to see them bite the dust.

    MS do appear to be able to respond to what the market is telling them. They try things on - that's for sure, but this move to the previous Office licensing is a good sign. It should work out fine for them.

    Next thing is to get rid of the dealbreakers from the main os. They can do that with Blue. They can turn it around still.
    So what would you like to see, Windows 7 or XP, who do you want MS to listen to, you, or XP users, or as in a few cases Windows 95 users who can't run their 20 year old game.
    Or do you want them to listen to Ray8 who wants to get rid of the PIM, what is that.
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    It is not a question of what I want Bill.

    You seem to think the whole world revolves around you - and what you like must be forced on everyone else.

    I realise you are just kidding - it is an entertaining comedy act for the rest of us.

    It is about marketing.

    Not a good idea to put out a product which a substantial proportion of your target market do not want.

    No need to be concerned with those who like it.

    Pay attention to those who aren't buying it. Fix the dealbreakers.

    It is not hard to understand.

    I have some ideas about how it could be done - I expect MS will know already. Don't worry, it doesn't involve removing the NCI. It should be there - you can still do what you do now. You will still be able to have the start screen pop up and cover the entire screen as often as you like - you will still be able to do those unergonomic motions you seem to like. That is fine. I do not suggest removing options. I don't think MS will do that either.

    They could get a great result, and they can still feature their various monetisation schemes heavily - I think it is looking more likely they will go that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is not a question of what I want Bill.

    You seem to think the whole world revolves around you - and what you like must be forced on everyone else.

    I realise you are just kidding - it is an entertaining comedy act for the rest of us.

    It is about marketing.

    Not a good idea to put out a product which a substantial proportion of your target market do not want.

    No need to be concerned with those who like it.

    Pay attention to those who aren't buying it. Fix the dealbreakers.

    It is not hard to understand.
    Sorry SIW2, there's no way I think the world revolves around me, I'm not trying to tell Microsoft what to do, I just hope they stay afloat. I don't exactly love everything in Windows 8 but I can see that Microsoft is in trouble if it doesn't change.

    The reason I know this is because I spend a lot of time on forums and I listen to the buzz, Microsoft has to get its mojo on. I have a lot of different devices and could easily jump ship without any regret.

    Then all of a sudden Microsoft comes along with Windows 8 and immediately I could see the sense in what they're doing, trying to unify all the devices. I thought wow, this is great surely the rest of the world can see this too.

    Sadly no, the world can't see it and the Internet bloggers make sure they can't see it with their continual rubbishing of Microsoft. I know everything isn't quite perfect yet, there's quite a few problems, but can't we cut them a bit of slack.

    I'm pretty sure that a few on here can see what I can see and are just happy to see the transition. I know you have a different agenda, you're worried about the subscription scheme and probably privacy, which is fair enough, but that's not going to stop.
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    Sadly no, the world can't see it
    It is all there Bill.

    You are right and there is something wrong with everybody else - they can't see it.

    I don't want to be over dramatic, but I expect Col Gaddafi believed he was right and everyone else was stupid/sub human. Then when the revolt was in full swing - he still believed it was a small number of troublemakers and he was generally loved. He was wrong.

    That's not how it works.

    A lot of people are not buying it. They need something people will buy.

    They can do that by changing the things that are stopping people from buying it.
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  7. #197


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Sadly no, the world can't see it
    It is all there Bill.

    You are right and there is something wrong with everybody else - they can't see it.

    I don't want to be over dramatic, but I expect Col Gaddafi believed he was right and everyone else was stupid/sub human. Then when the revolt was in full swing - he still believed it was a small number of troublemakers and he was generally loved. He was wrong.

    That's not how it works.

    A lot of people are not buying it. They need something people will buy.

    They can do that by changing the things that are stopping people from buying it.
    Yes, like bad press and techies that post crap about it. That's what the general public reads and believes unfortunately.
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    I wonder instead of the tiles they put a big red Apple cut into sections on the start screen. Each section could be a drawer to let's say MS Office, Games, Tools and Settings etc. Instead of Metro they could call it iApple, not sure if that's been patented yet.

    On the lock screen they could put a photo of Steve Jobs. There's not an Internet blogger that would have the nerve to say anything bad about that, that would be sacrilegious.

    I'm sure if Colonel Gaddafi had used an iPad he would have been more popular.
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    I wonder why it gets bad press?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Sadly no, the world can't see it
    It is all there Bill.

    You are right and there is something wrong with everybody else - they can't see it.

    I don't want to be over dramatic, but I expect Col Gaddafi believed he was right and everyone else was stupid/sub human. Then when the revolt was in full swing - he still believed it was a small number of troublemakers and he was generally loved. He was wrong.

    That's not how it works.

    A lot of people are not buying it. They need something people will buy.

    They can do that by changing the things that are stopping people from buying it.
    Yes, like bad press and techies that post crap about it. That's what the general public reads and believes unfortunately.
    Actually a lot of the stuff I have read from bloggers are just out and out lies, it makes me cringe to read it. I think some of the problems are actually caused by Windows Forums where they come onto places like this and see the battles raging between the believers and non believers.

    Then they write a story about the battles and point out that if the true techies don't like it why should ordinary people.So then when ordinary people see all this crap they start talking about things like Vista and Zune and this gets repeated a million times over.

    Have you ever noticed that over 90% of the negative stuff is almost completely the same, word for word. If the WSJ techies say something it spreads like fire over the Internet

    I don't know if anyone has noticed, you can't really miss it, but just about every major news site is talking about the iWatch, the iWatch for Gods sake. Nobody knows anything about it yet they're all saying its going to be the next big thing. If that was a Microsoft watch they'd all be laughing and joking about it and calling it the next Zune.
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