This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

[legacy7955]

Arrogance on the part of MS will get them nowhere, honestly they have ALREADY alienated many of their most loyal customers by their stealthy approach at forcing this Metro touch screen crap on them.

If you're listening MS.... the old adage is STILL correct...."The customer is ALWAYS right".

The "customer" wants a choice of which UI they can use as the default.

I see this attitude seems to be increasing from many major companies over the past number of years. Basically they are waving the middle finger in the faces of their best customers, and have to some degree gotten away with it, till most recently, the consumer "push back" is just beginning, and not just at MS but many other businesses as well.

If that CHOICE is not given to use the classic desktop as the default in Windows 8 I will be using Linux Mint on my next PC purchases. The nice thing is that it's basically FREE and it gives me what I want too.

 

[dazbear]

I bought a windows tablet about 6 months before Windows 8 CP was released. It was hideous and almost went into the bin. Win8 has made it a good piece of kit with good usability. My mates with an iPad have played with it and love the live tiles, feeling their UI is pretty boring after playing with Metro. An iPad or Android tablet wasn't an option for me as my industry is very Windows reliant. I have the best of both worlds. Using desktop with mouse and keyboard is no different from windows 7 and I am discovering little improvements that I hadn't noticed before, particularly to right click menu options, which are very useful.

For me windows 8 has made my kit faster, smoother and more usable.

I suppose the other old adage of "you cant teach old dogs new tricks" is a danger here.....

 

[Vince53]

You've got it right, Dazbear. Windows 9 is a great OS for touchscreens. And it works well with a mouse and a keyboard as well.

 

[Tully]

Anti Aged Win8

My wife is also 83 & I think W8 is not for her. It is really anti aged!

She spends many hours on her computer & enjoys it!

But Win8 ?, never in millions years!! She has a set routine for her daily seesions & will never use Win8.

My main computer is win7 & I will not change from it!

I also have a computer on Vista, I use that for my Photo Work. Another with Win8. I use that for trying to understand Win8.

There are supposed to be many new features in Win8 but I can't seem to find them, like the user above that can open multiple files in one window. Do we find these by osmoses? Where is the Wizard of MS that sees all & knows all?

It takes me days to find an answer to my questions. I usually find some kind soul on Win8 Forum that helps me without a lot computerize that I can not follow!

Tully, 83 & counting!

 

[Ex_Brit]

Well you've got until 2020 with Windows 7 so it's not yet an emergency.

 

[Vince53]

Tully, we're not old. We're kids with experience.

 

[kmint]

The main reason why people will adopt W8 is synchronization with all mobile devices and a good cloud service.

Now, it will take time. Leaving iOS, Android, Symbian, Blackberry, Bada/Tizen for Windows mobile devices can be a veeery slow process if it happens at all. So far it hasn't had any success and is slow in offering apps and features compared to the others.

I have the feeling that I will have Windows smartphone and ultrabook in two or three years as my only two devices where everything will be synchronized. Unless Google comes with some surprise in the meantime.

 

[BillWindows]

When you consider that Windows phone was falling off a cliff, these are the latest figures.

Wp7. Europe,the UK and the US up 1% to 4%, Germany double fron 3% to 6%, China Wp7 7% iPhone 6%..

The Lumia 900 has only just been released in the UK.

By the way, I own an Android phone and an iPad.

 

[PaulGo]

'Dated and cheesy' Aero ripped from Windows 8

Never liked Windows 7 anyway ...


Microsoft must really love Windows 8, or hate its legacy install base.
The Aero interface introduced with the hated Windows Vista and perpetuated with the loved Windows 7 is being canned from Windows 8, the company has revealed.
In another achingly long Windows 8 blog post, Microsoft called the Aero interface it once championed and poured so much love upon "dated and cheesy". Yes, Windows 7 peeps, it's official: you're using a cheesy-lookin' piece of software.

Now, it’s all about pretending your PC is a Windows Phone with Metro. Pull on your hipster chunky jumper, roll up your coloured jeans and let me explain over a flat white.

Full article at:

'Dated and cheesy' Aero ripped from Windows 8 ? The Register

 

[Vince53]

Paul, I'm afraid that the article you are citing is satire.

 

[PaulGo]

Paul, I'm afraid that the article you are citing is satire.

The Register style of writing is mostly in this style, but the point they are making are very relevant - from further in the article:

Traditionally when Microsoft launched a new version of Windows, it carried over the older apps – it had to, to ensure uptake. This time, it seems like the older apps are being treated like second-class citizens for the sake of Metro, swiped off to a land of dragons.

By cutting out the Aero Glass, Microsoft is going to make sure these apps get kicked a further class down for the sake of the Metro UI.
And if you want a measure of how bad things are, consider this comment from Windows group president Steven Sinofsky opening this latest epic humungousness of a Windows 8 blog post.
Sinofsky wrote:

With millions of people using the Consumer Preview for their daily work, we’ve seen just as many points of view expressed. Many people – from David Pogue of the New York Times to Mat Honan from Gizmodo and many more – have been quite positive, and others less so, most notably in the comments on this blog, where we’ve seen the rich dialog we’d hoped for.​

Using journalists as your defence while expressing a problem with the negative comments of your actual audience on the Windows 8 blog? Things must be worse than we thought.

 

[speedy1979]

Arrogance on the part of MS will get them nowhere, honestly they have ALREADY alienated many of their most loyal customers by their stealthy approach at forcing this Metro touch screen crap on them.

If you're listening MS.... the old adage is STILL correct...."The customer is ALWAYS right".

The "customer" wants a choice of which UI they can use as the default.

I see this attitude seems to be increasing from many major companies over the past number of years. Basically they are waving the middle finger in the faces of their best customers, and have to some degree gotten away with it, till most recently, the consumer "push back" is just beginning, and not just at MS but many other businesses as well.

If that CHOICE is not given to use the classic desktop as the default in Windows 8 I will be using Linux Mint on my next PC purchases. The nice thing is that it's basically FREE and it gives me what I want too.

Linux Mint is great have you tried cinnamon?

 

[geordie17]

Windows 8 sigh its is so complex to do a simple task it will not be on my machine much longer -format and back to windows 7 - hope you are reading this MS.For those of us who do not have or need or want them, smart phones and not so smart windows just dont cut it.

 

[jimbo45]

Windows 8 sigh its is so complex to do a simple task it will not be on my machine much longer -format and back to windows 7 - hope you are reading this MS.For those of us who do not have or need or want them, smart phones and not so smart windows just dont cut it.

Hi there
What's the problem.
Just take 20 mins to get used to the different navigation and keyboard short cuts --there's loads of decent keyboard short cuts in W8.

Remember it ISN'T W7 so "Unlearn" W7 while you are on W8.

Most of people having frustrations with W8 are because they instinctively try all the stuff that they did on W7 the same way and invariably it doesn't work.

You will need to get rid a lot of the not used tiles and organize your applications but that should be a One Off job.

I can understand if some people don't like W8 -- that's fine -- but some of their reasons aren't really valid ones.

cheers
jimbo

 

[GMan]

For those of us who do not have or need or want them, smart phones and not so smart windows just dont cut it.

Hi there
What's the problem.

Apparently, it went right over your head how geordie17 doesn't appreciate a kiddie phone UI like lots of us, such as myself and SIW2. I'd have to say our opinions are valid as well as everyone's opinion who voted in this thread: http://www.eightforums.com/general-discussion/6309-petition-microsoft-addressing-8-a.html

 

[Tully]

Paul;

Timely & accurate!!

Tully

 

[crawfish]

Now, it’s all about pretending your PC is a Windows Phone with Metro. Pull on your hipster chunky jumper, roll up your coloured jeans and let me explain over a flat white.

In order to sell you stupid, they need to get you thinking what you've been using is stupider. :facepalm:

 

[legacy7955]

Now, it’s all about pretending your PC is a Windows Phone with Metro. Pull on your hipster chunky jumper, roll up your coloured jeans and let me explain over a flat white.

In order to sell you stupid, they need to get you thinking what you've been using is stupider. :facepalm:

The strange thing about Windows 8 is that they would get tens of millions of NEW phone and tablet users to buy immediately anyhow with Metro, but they are negating the benefit of those new buyers by FORCING the Metro UI on desktop/laptop users.

There must be plenty of fluoride in the water in Redmond, because they lost plenty of IQ points with their plan for Windows 8.

 

[Tully]

Who wants to learn a jillion shortcuts? I have a problem remembering a jillion passwords!

If it is intuitive, you just use your brains & do it!

Tully

 

[HPDeskjet]

After a nice experience with Customer Preview it's all gone pear shaped with Release Preview. If this is meant to be an improvement on CP I, for one, am not impressed. http://www.eightforums.com/general-...-but-problem-after-problem-after-problem.html