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Learning only - why can't/don't you defrag an SSD? Just trying to keep up.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro x 64
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    Dell XPS 8300, Dell Inspiron 15 R N5010
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    6 GB
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    Nvidia GE force 420
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    1TB
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    Defender, MBAM, Router
if you mean the drive - yes, it says SSD, but not that I would know what that means.

Made some adjustments - going for onboard sound 5-1, its part of the MB so no charge. And downsized power to 450w, £804
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    pc specialist made to order
    CPU
    Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-4790 (3.6GHz) 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    ASUS® H81M-PLUS: Micro-ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs
    Memory
    16GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (2 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 750 Ti - DVI, mHDMI, VGA - 3D Vision Ready
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    iiyama 24 inch flat screen
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB 3.5" SEAGATE SSHD, SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM (64MB + 8GB SSD CACHE)

    2TB Seagate SATA HDD

    500Gb SATA docked
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    In Win Turbo
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    Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler
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    microsoft mutlimedia keyboard
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    logitech corded
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    152mb
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    FF, IE11
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    AVG Internet Security 2015
    Other Info
    16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW

    10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Learning only - why can't/don't you defrag an SSD? Just trying to keep up.
Well (deep subject), first of all there's nothing to defrag on an SSD. They work much different than "spinners". Data is stored in cells (bunch of special transistors ) and every bit and byte is at same distance from input and output and and equally accessible wherever it is unlike on disks (in HDDs) where a part of file can be on one end and the other part on another, so by the time heads get to pick both (or more) parts and put them together it takes longer.
SSDs have own way of handling data that's built in it's firmware and does all that's needed to keep things tidy when not busy. Interrupting that with defraging program would just make a mess of it and possibly even damage it.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
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    Home made
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    AMD Ryzen7 2700x
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    Asus Prime x470 Pro
    Memory
    16GB Kingston 3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus strix 570 OC 4gb
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    Samsung 960 evo 250GB
    Silicon Power V70 240GB SSD
    WD 1 TB Blue
    WD 2 TB Blue
    Bunch of backup HDDs.
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    Sharkoon, Silent Storm 660W
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    WD
just checked - its SSHD
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    pc specialist made to order
    CPU
    Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-4790 (3.6GHz) 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    ASUS® H81M-PLUS: Micro-ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs
    Memory
    16GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (2 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 750 Ti - DVI, mHDMI, VGA - 3D Vision Ready
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    iiyama 24 inch flat screen
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB 3.5" SEAGATE SSHD, SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM (64MB + 8GB SSD CACHE)

    2TB Seagate SATA HDD

    500Gb SATA docked
    Case
    In Win Turbo
    Cooling
    Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler
    Keyboard
    microsoft mutlimedia keyboard
    Mouse
    logitech corded
    Internet Speed
    152mb
    Browser
    FF, IE11
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security 2015
    Other Info
    16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW

    10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
just checked - its SSHD
That's good combination but still half way to SSD. Make sure your MB can recognize it though.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
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    Home made
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen7 2700x
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime x470 Pro
    Memory
    16GB Kingston 3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus strix 570 OC 4gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 evo 250GB
    Silicon Power V70 240GB SSD
    WD 1 TB Blue
    WD 2 TB Blue
    Bunch of backup HDDs.
    PSU
    Sharkoon, Silent Storm 660W
    Case
    Raidmax
    Cooling
    CCM Nepton 140xl
    Internet Speed
    40/2 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD
its being built by a company to my specs so yes it will
 

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  • OS
    Win 10
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    pc specialist made to order
    CPU
    Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-4790 (3.6GHz) 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    ASUS® H81M-PLUS: Micro-ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs
    Memory
    16GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (2 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 750 Ti - DVI, mHDMI, VGA - 3D Vision Ready
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    iiyama 24 inch flat screen
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB 3.5" SEAGATE SSHD, SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM (64MB + 8GB SSD CACHE)

    2TB Seagate SATA HDD

    500Gb SATA docked
    Case
    In Win Turbo
    Cooling
    Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler
    Keyboard
    microsoft mutlimedia keyboard
    Mouse
    logitech corded
    Internet Speed
    152mb
    Browser
    FF, IE11
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security 2015
    Other Info
    16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW

    10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Thanks Mike. Now I know a little about SSDs and that they function so differently from the traditional HD, therefore no defragging .
You need not reply but I wonder if you can try to defrag and that it would damage the drive or is there a built in feature disallowing defragging.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro x 64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 8300, Dell Inspiron 15 R N5010
    Memory
    6 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GE force 420
    Hard Drives
    1TB
    Browser
    Edge, Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender, MBAM, Router
if there is a built in defragger, I would need to know, presume it comes with all the paperwork????
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    pc specialist made to order
    CPU
    Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-4790 (3.6GHz) 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    ASUS® H81M-PLUS: Micro-ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs
    Memory
    16GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (2 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 750 Ti - DVI, mHDMI, VGA - 3D Vision Ready
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    iiyama 24 inch flat screen
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB 3.5" SEAGATE SSHD, SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM (64MB + 8GB SSD CACHE)

    2TB Seagate SATA HDD

    500Gb SATA docked
    Case
    In Win Turbo
    Cooling
    Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler
    Keyboard
    microsoft mutlimedia keyboard
    Mouse
    logitech corded
    Internet Speed
    152mb
    Browser
    FF, IE11
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security 2015
    Other Info
    16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW

    10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Thanks Mike. Now I know a little about SSDs and that they function so differently from the traditional HD, therefore no defragging .
You need not reply but I wonder if you can try to defrag and that it would damage the drive or is there a built in feature disallowing defragging.
Yes, you can try and even defrag it conventional way but internal SW would again do it it's own way so it would be just an exercise in futility and introduce more wear and tear to SSD. Windows 7 and 8 when installed clean will recognize SSD and provide support for it providing it's connected to SATA port in AHCI mode which most modern MBs support and appropriate drivers in Windows. Win7 and 8 will also turn off auto defrag for SSD if all conditions above are met.
W7 and 8 also have a "TRIM" command built in that sends SSD message that some cells and data is free to erase as that data is no longer needed because it's marked for deletion. SSD's firmware will than write zeroes to those places at it's leisure without interfearing with other operations. It's called GC (Garbage Correction or Collection). Other things with modern SSDs is "Load Leveling" where periodically firmware moves data around, using special part of memory not available to computer (Over provisioning) to make sure that all the cells are used equally and so prolong it's life.
For best performance of SSDs is best to be connected to SATA3 (SATA 600) ports as hey are fast enough to use all the speed SATA3 can provide, which ordinary HDDs are not and it does not matter if SATA3 HDD is connected to SATA2 port.
Just raw writing and reading of SSDs is not as important as it's speed at handling files of about 4KBs which make most of system files plus it's access speed which is several hundred times faster than with HDDs and that's why SSDs are so good for operating system and make whole computer much more responsive and seemingly faster.
Virtual memory also works much faster than with HDD and that's another big plus, specially on systems without much RAM. Hibernate works much faster too so system hibernation, wakeup, shutdown and startup are faster too.
Because of no mechanical, moving parts, life expectancy of SSDs is much longer than mechanical drives and if nothing burns out because of power or heat they should outlast their usefulness before they actually get worn out.
Big plus is that they use much less power than HDDs and so prolong battery charge in laptops and also work much cooler.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home made
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen7 2700x
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime x470 Pro
    Memory
    16GB Kingston 3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus strix 570 OC 4gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 evo 250GB
    Silicon Power V70 240GB SSD
    WD 1 TB Blue
    WD 2 TB Blue
    Bunch of backup HDDs.
    PSU
    Sharkoon, Silent Storm 660W
    Case
    Raidmax
    Cooling
    CCM Nepton 140xl
    Internet Speed
    40/2 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD
if there is a built in defragger, I would need to know, presume it comes with all the paperwork????
SSD part has it's own built in and rest of it (mechanical part) you can defrag just like any other HDD. In case of SSHDDs, SSD part is a giant (relatively, comparing to ordinary HDDs) cache and that's why it speeds up its operation.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home made
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen7 2700x
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime x470 Pro
    Memory
    16GB Kingston 3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus strix 570 OC 4gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 evo 250GB
    Silicon Power V70 240GB SSD
    WD 1 TB Blue
    WD 2 TB Blue
    Bunch of backup HDDs.
    PSU
    Sharkoon, Silent Storm 660W
    Case
    Raidmax
    Cooling
    CCM Nepton 140xl
    Internet Speed
    40/2 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD
advancing

It does not take long to become a dinosaur in the digital world.
USB 3, new SSDs, Cortana, Siri and others, make my 4 year old stuff antiquated.

i would like to see the speed of USB 3 with SSDs and all the latest advances.

My son, unlike me with Windows, is an Android fan.
He says his Chromebook has few parts, no heat issues and all goes on line, encrypted.
The price is quite a bit lower than a PC and there seem to be workarounds for the features it does not have and the PC does.
I was thinking of him when I was re-installing 8.1 the other day.
I cannot wrap my head around the Android based phones and when 8.1 is part of the phone's OS I will hopefully get it.
Maybe I will be a Windows phone person and a Chromebook person.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro x 64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 8300, Dell Inspiron 15 R N5010
    Memory
    6 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GE force 420
    Hard Drives
    1TB
    Browser
    Edge, Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender, MBAM, Router
It does not take long to become a dinosaur in the digital world.
USB 3, new SSDs, Cortana, Siri and others, make my 4 year old stuff antiquated.

i would like to see the speed of USB 3 with SSDs and all the latest advances.

My son, unlike me with Windows, is an Android fan.
He says his Chromebook has few parts, no heat issues and all goes on line, encrypted.
The price is quite a bit lower than a PC and there seem to be workarounds for the features it does not have and the PC does.
I was thinking of him when I was re-installing 8.1 the other day.
I cannot wrap my head around the Android based phones and when 8.1 is part of the phone's OS I will hopefully get it.
Maybe I will be a Windows phone person and a Chromebook person.
Heck, phones get antiquated much faster, chrome books are toys and none of them can't do any serious work or play.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home made
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen7 2700x
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime x470 Pro
    Memory
    16GB Kingston 3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus strix 570 OC 4gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 evo 250GB
    Silicon Power V70 240GB SSD
    WD 1 TB Blue
    WD 2 TB Blue
    Bunch of backup HDDs.
    PSU
    Sharkoon, Silent Storm 660W
    Case
    Raidmax
    Cooling
    CCM Nepton 140xl
    Internet Speed
    40/2 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD
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