How to install dual OS (win 7 and win 8) using the win 8 upgrade offer

[sam9953]

Ah. Okay.

 

[machare]

I use a boot manager to run 7 and 8 - No problems. Most likely I could also just run from two different hard drives.

I ordered the 8 upgrade using the consumer preview, I then burnt and installed from a DVD.

Like you I need to run both 7 and 8 alternatively, just so that I can get 8 working properly.

I use the Start button from Source Forge.

AFAICT the only way MS could associate my copies of 7 and 8 is by using the motherboard serial number during the activation process.

 

[sam9953]

@machare I am not so technical so can you please explain me in simple terms, either via PM or here, how can I enable dual OS?

 

[machare]

Option 1 is to have two hard disks, and then choose which one you want to use by entering the bios setup.

Option 2 is to use a Boot Manager such as Bootit Bare Metal. This allows you to have several partitions on one disk. Each partition contains a different OS. When the PC boots it runs Bootit. Bootit then provides a menu where you can choose which partition to boot. The other OS partitions are kept hidden. Data can be kept in a separate partition which is available to whichever OS you run.

 

[skallal]

Does this apply to the $39.95 upgrade? I didn't bother to read the Eula.

In my case, I downloaded from my Windows 7/64 Pro box and created an ISO file. I created a bootable thumb drive from the ISO and installed it on my Samsung slate.

I have every intention of leaving Windows 7/64 Pro on my desktop. And I've considered dual booting between 7 & 8 on that box w/ separate partitions. I haven't rebooted that box since creating the ISO file. (I am at work now.) So I hope I am not locked out of that box.

I hope the $39.95 upgrade doesn't have the same Eula as the $14.95 upgrade.

Let me know...

 

[area 66]

skallal it's against the EULA to keep your Windows 7

macharre , updating from the consumer preview is against the EULA

 

[CalBear]

The upgrade is not tied to Windows 7. You can upgrade from XP or Vista. If the second boot partition has a proper installation of XP or any other qualified system, you can then upgrade that partition to Windows 8. You are upgrading the OS that's on the second boot partition. So the statement "it's against the EULA to keep your Windows 7" is simply not correct in all cases.

 

[area 66]

The upgrade is not tied to Windows 7. You can upgrade from XP or Vista. If the second boot partition has a proper installation of XP or any other qualified system, you can then upgrade that partition to Windows 8. You are upgrading the OS that's on the second boot partition. So the statement "it's against the EULA to keep your Windows 7" is simply not correct in all cases.

read again I was talking to Skallal who have the intention to keep is actual Windows 7 from witch he update,

kallal it's against the EULA to keep your Windows 7


SO HE HAVE NO RIGHT TO KEEP IS WINDOWS 8 AFTER

 

[CalBear]

The upgrade is not tied to Windows 7. You can upgrade from XP or Vista. If the second boot partition has a proper installation of XP or any other qualified system, you can then upgrade that partition to Windows 8. You are upgrading the OS that's on the second boot partition. So the statement "it's against the EULA to keep your Windows 7" is simply not correct in all cases.

Oh boy the cheater is talking to me, mr. EULA cheater, in your case and in the case of the 2 persons I refer too, it's is againt the EULA. if you can't afford a legal OS please refrain your comment,

I can see where that is true for the $15 upgrade but not in general...
If you wish to install Windows, any Windows, on a second boot partition it is considered a second computer per the EULA. So you are saying if I have 2 licensed "partition-computers" and one of them happens to be Windows 7, then I cannot upgrade the other "partition-computer" to Windows 8. That simply doesn't make sense, each partition is considered a separate computer, that's why the operating system in each partition needs a separate license.

 

[BillWindows]

skallal it's against the EULA to keep your Windows 7

macharre , updating from the consumer preview is against the EULA

Can someone explain to me in English why I cant have say an OEM Windows 7 on one partitition and an Upgrade Windows 8 on another partition. In other words how is this hurting Microsoft if I'm just gradually moving from one OS to another without destroying my previous OS. I know about the EULA, but how is it hurting Microsoft.

 

[skallal]

If that is true, I would NEVER have have downloaded from my Windows 7 box. My main purpose in downloading from the W7 box was to get the ISO for the Samsung Slate which had the 90 day RTM installed at the time.

Actually, I am in no hurry to put W8 on the W7 box. I hope to be able to run W7 on it for a while.

I am hoping Calbear's version of reality is correct...

I am going to call the MS store and see what they say...

 

[SoulBrix]

I also want to keep my windows 7 installation on my laptop. I've been asking Microsoft through various channels for days and only a few hours ago someone gave me a straight answer - I cannot keep my Windows 7 installation.

I have the special 15€ offer, and I would like to use it. I know that my laptop came with a different Product Key than the one written on the sticker. In fact, I just checked it myself. Now, my question is, if I change my current Product key to the one written below the PC and use the original to activate a second installation of Windows 7, and from there install 8, would that work?

 

[SIW2]

It will work.

It is easily possible to run both win7 and win8.

However, you are not supposed to.

The installer makes no attempt to prevent it.

MS are not going to bang on your door at 5 a.m.

It is an honour thing.

You must make your own decision.

 

[machare]

machare , updating from the consumer preview is against the EULA

Not if you have an appropriate license.

 

[area 66]

machare , updating from the consumer preview is against the EULA

Not if you have an appropriate license.

I ordered the 8 upgrade using the consumer preview, I then burnt and installed from a DVD.

you call Consumer Preview a proper license ?

 

[machare]

machare , updating from the consumer preview is against the EULA

Not if you have an appropriate license.

I ordered the 8 upgrade using the consumer preview, I then burnt and installed from a DVD.

you call Consumer Preview a proper license ?

Obviously not. You just need to have a proper OEM or retail licence for XP, Vista or 7. It is a legal requirement that you have the licence for the machine that you are upgrading.

 

[CalBear]

It will work.

It is easily possible to run both win7 and win8.

However, you are not supposed to.

The installer makes no attempt to prevent it.

MS are not going to bang on your door at 5 a.m.

It is an honour thing.

You must make your own decision.

And please, Always, obey the speed limit on the highway.

 

[Brink]

skallal it's against the EULA to keep your Windows 7

macharre , updating from the consumer preview is against the EULA

Can someone explain to me in English why I cant have say an OEM Windows 7 on one partitition and an Upgrade Windows 8 on another partition. In other words how is this hurting Microsoft if I'm just gradually moving from one OS to another without destroying my previous OS. I know about the EULA, but how is it hurting Microsoft.

Hell Bill,

Sure thing. This is an exert from the EULA for upgrade Windows 8 copies. It basically means that you cannot have the OS you used to upgrade to Windows 8 installed so long as the upgrade Windows 8 is installed. This include dual boots as well.


http://www.eightforums.com/general-discussion/10837-windows-8-eula.html#post129442

What about upgrading the software?

The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.

Hope this help,
Shawn

 

[BillWindows]

I must be mentally challenged, I understand the EULA, I just cannot understand why this is such a big deal for Microsoft, to have two OS both on the same PC, both paid for. Surely they must realise that people can do a lot of damage to their important files and programmes by going in over the top and trashing their current operating system.
Just looking at the problems people are having with Windows 8 installed over their old OS, you'd think Microsoft would soften their stance on this issue.
I can certainly understand in a lot of cases where there is no previous licence the objections they might have. It's just that in this case I'm having a lot of problems understanding their objection. I wish I could talk to someone a little bit higher up in Microsoft to let them know why people are upset over this and the damage it's doing to their brand.
I don't want anything for nothing, but I can't see why I would have to pay for two full licenses on the one hard drive on the one computer.

I'll just add a bit more.

if no one ever had a problem with installing a new OS over an old one, and everything "just worked" I wouldn't have a problem with any of this, but we all know better, these things are always fraught with danger.

 

[area 66]

I must be mentally challenged, I understand the EULA, I just cannot understand why this is such a big deal for Microsoft, to have two OS both on the same PC, both paid for. .

No you have not paid for 2 OS, you have paid for one OS and at reduce price an update, is that so hard to understand.

2 OS on a hard drive is nothing, I have VM servers with over 20 OS in them, and all have their legit license.

Aside you have to be dam noob to not make a back up before made an update.