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Is 8 and 8.1 creating OS illiterate smartphone users?

  1. #51


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    Yeah, for a niche market you may be right. But iTunes and Steam are not going to win the day. Which corporation or goverment agency that installs PCs by the thousands cares about e.g. Steam. And those are the places where most systems go.

    Many goverment or local agencies have tried to go with Linux but quickly found out that this is not so easy and the transition costs a fortune. Migrating up in Windows is not cheap either (especially the education cost), but it is the less expensive alternative with less upheaval.

    I think Microsoft is safe for quite a while and by then they will have figured something out. Thier legacy is too heavy for others to make real inroads.

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  2. #52


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    Well, look at this way, out of all the operating systems out there what is the one that has a lot of features and is something you really should learn how to use? Windows.

    The main selling point about ios (android to a very slight degree, VERY slight degree) is that it's "easy" to use. That simplicity of use basically means that its features are so cut and dry and limited that it doesn't require a Help section or app like Windows Phone and Windows always has had. Things like right clicking, double and single clicking, middling clicking, drop down menus, multitasking, multiple windows, everything that makes Windows Windows is nonexistent on ios. So this means, it's "easy" to use and learn how to use because it's point and tap for everything (Windows 3); but as we all know ios is horribly limited in features that won't EVER replace Windows for those who use and know of those features. On a side note, apps that set up wifi hotspots, manage your checkbook, and able to print to certain printers are just dumbed down simpleton things that Windows and Office have ALWAYS been doing since day one. Things like Prezi are popular to use because it's a horribly dumbed down PowerPoint. I can compile a PowerPoint so advanced and awe inspiring but that's because I KNOW how to use it. All of those other things take no user involvement to use.

    As for the forum posts of illiterate Windows users, get used it. It was the VERY exact same thing in the Seven Forums in its time. It's something that has ALWAYS been around for ages. It could also very well be people that grew up more around the cell phone age and have lost the ability to type full works such as because, cause, right, for, etcetera and have bought a very inexpensive laptop and can't for the life them spend 15 minutes LEARNING how to use it but can spend 15 minutes complaining about it on twitter, facebook, reddit, and youtube on their apple iphone...

    Personally, I feel it's more the latter but more or less people not thinking for themselves. And as someone who has worked retail, I can tell you this is good solid theory. If it's not idiot proof (think of the dumbest person you know, times it by 1,000 and breed it with an elephant; then and only then can it be fool proof, also good advice for developers) it's a horrible product. If it makes you look like an incompetent fool because you got caught up on such a simple detail, it's enough to piss people off and bad mouth the product and manufacturer. Hate it say it, but that's really how it goes these days. Just look at all the technologies in cars now like lane departure warnings, blind spot warnings, cars that parallel park themselves. Why do you suppose those exist? Because people can't take it upon themselves to follow rules, develop skill, and keep their concentration on the road and not on something else.

    Oh, if you look and user manuals for products these days, your intelligence might be slightly annoyed. "Why does my lawn mower not start? The gas tank is empty, solution, fill it with gas. Why does my lawn mower not bag grass properly? The bag is full, solution, empty the bag."

    Too long; didn't read: People are just kind of stupid nowadays and can't think for themselves anymore. It's either someone else doing the thinking or a piece of a silicon.
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  3. #53


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    Well Microsoft has gone and done it. They are finally allowing Apple to let iOS users use a product that they cannot even give away.

    Update: Microsoft unveils Office for iPad

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247233/Update_Microsoft_unveils_Office_for_iPad
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  4. #54


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Yeah, for a niche market you may be right. But iTunes and Steam are not going to win the day. Which corporation or goverment agency that installs PCs by the thousands cares about e.g. Steam. And those are the places where most systems go.

    Many goverment or local agencies have tried to go with Linux but quickly found out that this is not so easy and the transition costs a fortune. Migrating up in Windows is not cheap either (especially the education cost), but it is the less expensive alternative with less upheaval.

    I think Microsoft is safe for quite a while and by then they will have figured something out. Thier legacy is too heavy for others to make real inroads.
    Incorrect on Government and local agencies finding that migrating to Linux costs a fortune. Newsflash for you. The U.S. Military is using Linux to power the Drones, along with the stations that they use to control them from. Linux is also used in the Navy for Shipboard systems, along with workstations. Same with all other branches.

    Moving from Windows to Linux cost them next to nothing. It is cheaper to maintain, due to no licensing costs are not as high as Microsoft charges. Moving a user from Windows to Linux is next to nothing.

    Microsoft is not safe, due to they are seeing their bottom line disappear, due to the books are showing declining profits.

    As for a niche market for Linux, Android OS, iOS, Mac OS. You are far from the truth on that. You are just making an attempt to make it sound like a very small metric uses those products. You would be surprised at the numbers. You would also be surprised that the largest category running Linux, is Network Gateways, NAS's, DVR's, TiVo's, Security Camera DVR's. The list goes on.

    The others are here to stay. Microsoft is not going to be around much longer, due to they keep failing to see the movement that is happening towards the other side.
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  5. #55


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    Linux Mint 17.2


    Coke Robot, sorry, but Android & iOS users, same as Linux do not need a help to figure out how to use the device. As for simplicity, they are far easier to use, then Windows products. I can place anyone off the street in front of a Linux desktop right now.

    Within 10 minutes, they would be browsing the web, using Libre Office or Google Doc's, could watch a DVD, etc., without any extra help. There is no Metro Interface, the product is made by end users that see the difficulty that Microsoft has made their products, and have produced a product that is so easy. Your Grandmother could use Linux, an Android device or iOS device.

    I handed my iPhone to my mother today to use. She did not need any help to figure out how to use it. Same when I gave her my Google Nexus 7 Tablet to play around with it, to see what it could do. She has not touched a tablet, computer or smartphone in quite some time.

    The last time she had a computer in her home, was around five years ago. She has a degree in Computer Sciences, back when they were teaching Cobol & Fortran in the 70's at the College she received her Associate Degree from in 1978. My father is having me install Xubuntu on his desktop this weekend. Simply because he does not see a reason to pay ridiculous costs for Windows 7 or Windows 8.x. He also has a Bachelor Degree in Electronics and Computer programming. He spent over 35 years with the Telephone company writing programs in Unix, that are still being used even today to do certain tasks.

    He has no problem with Windows, other then the straight fact that it is a resource hog. Lets add to this that my sister also works in IT for Seaworld, and deals with OpenSource all day long for their Database & POS system.

    There are a lot of families, including audio entertainment enthusiasts that are making a leap to the dark side. Simply because Windows no longer gives them what they need or want, to do what they wish to do.
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  6. #56


    Germany/Florida
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    No need to argue. I know all these nums. I have been in the IT business since 1961 and seen it all. There are always cases where you can try to prove one point or another. Let's see in 5 years how it plays out.
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  7. #57


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    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    Well Microsoft has gone and done it. They are finally allowing Apple to let iOS users use a product that they cannot even give away.

    Update: Microsoft unveils Office for iPad

    Update: Microsoft unveils Office for iPad - Computerworld

    They're giving Microsoft Office away- I'll just go tell my nearest shop they should give me my free copy then 'sarcasm'! Did you read the article? You still have to pay for a full functional copy or subscription to Office 365.
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  8. #58


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    Vista and Win7


    Coke Robot, sorry, but Android & iOS users, same as Linux do not need a help to figure out how to use the device. As for simplicity, they are far easier to use, then Windows products. I can place anyone off the street in front of a Linux desktop right now.
    You obviously have no idea how those systems are. I run 4 Linux systems, Android tablet, Windows 8.1, Vista, Windows 7, and W8P. The level of difficulty of use is exactly in that order - Linux is the most difficult and W8P is the easiest..
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  9. #59


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    No need to argue. I know all these nums. I have been in the IT business since 1961 and seen it all. There are always cases where you can try to prove one point or another. Let's see in 5 years how it plays out.
    The problem is that Microsoft will not be around in five years.
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  10. #60


    Central IL
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    Linux Mint 17.2


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Coke Robot, sorry, but Android & iOS users, same as Linux do not need a help to figure out how to use the device. As for simplicity, they are far easier to use, then Windows products. I can place anyone off the street in front of a Linux desktop right now.
    You obviously have no idea how those systems are. I run 4 Linux systems, Android tablet, Windows 8.1, Vista, Windows 7, and W8P. The level of difficulty of use is exactly in that order - Linux is the most difficult and W8P is the easiest..
    Sorry, but you have it backwards. But then again, who is to tell you when it is obvious that you will hang on to Windows, until they are no longer manufacturing software.

    I have to adapt, because of what I do, and the fact that I do not have to deal with cleaning up other people's mess, when they go to some site. I have more infections from users of Microsoft products, then I do with Apple or even Linux. The later two being that those so called malware out there, have to have the user run or allow the trojan, which can be stopped, by knowing how to make the system to not allow.

    You cannot do that with Windows. Microsoft has made it so that you cannot stop the unit from being infected by the end user, no matter what precautions you take as a System Admin.
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