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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #821


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    But the whole point is that they do not have to concede defeat on the desktop front. The desktop operating system is what they are actually very good at. As in Developer Preview, just bring back the option to disable Metro in the desktop and you'll find most people will suddenly start liking Windows 8 a lot more. No need to strip out Metro, just bring back the option.
    But then Windows HE is just a pointless iteration. What else is interesting about it? All I can think of is the Storage Spaces feature, and even as someone who uses multiple hard drives and could benefit from it, I wouldn't pay for the privilege. Then Microsoft has removed Media Center which is an active disincentive for me, as I need it for CableCARD. There is nothing in Windows HE that would motivate me to part with a single penny, and I would not buy a PC that has it pre-installed.

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  2. #822


    Posts : 6
    Windows 8


    I'm just annoyed as hell that I keep activating the Metro quick access menu whenever I go for my first browser tab (top left corner).
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  3. #823


    My wife & I are 83 & have benn married 43 years!

    There is a huge "Older Generation" (65& over) who do not & will not use Facebook & their elk! Smart phones are not needed by this group! "I" everything & similar devices are out. Don't need or want all the "features" on smart phones, only need to keep in contact with a small number of family or friends while out, maybe a few time. a week.

    We are not, as is noted all over the "Electronic World" computer "Ilterates". I was & many of my friends (Many Gone) were in computers at the beginning.

    First thing I do in the morning is get on the computer & read the OBITS!

    Who do you think bought the Apple Kits, Radio Shack Trash 80s, Etc? I could name more but most out there would not know them.
    Who do you think used them & put a man on the moon? I was in the "Space Race" & knew more about computers than most people today!

    We both spend hours on our computers each day. Me on my 3 desktops (One with Win8) & my wife on her Laptop.
    We use our computers for contacting relatives & friends, "BY EMAIL" Only use our Cell phones when we are out, which is very seldom! Otherwise they are switched off!

    Desktops are here to stay & I think I can speak for my "Age Group"! LEAVE OUR DESKTOPS & LAPTOPS ALONE!!

    We love our devices running Win7! Don't force Win8 on us!

    I have been running Win8 & am not impressed whatsoever!

    I have always been a Microsoft Beta Tester!

    How many out there have used punched cards, 8 channel punched tape & a Fredin flexowriter for programming?

    Don't think my gerenation is a bunch of idiots! We made the "REAL" advances in computers!!

    TULLY
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  4. #824


    Posts : 6
    Windows 8


    As someone who personally knows 63 year-olds with crippling dementia, that's pretty awesome LOL. Still like the rest of us who complain (me included) none of us are forced to use it, and rolling back to Win 7 will always be an option I'm sure. Considering there are people still doing fresh installs of XP to this day.
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  5. #825


    Tully, I remember that they used punched cards on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. You handed your in at the exit and they told you how much you owed. And by the way, they worked fine.
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  6. #826


    Posts : 92
    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    It almost feels like Microsoft is an old friend that had decided to abandon me because he no longer values my friendship.

    I really don't believe a smartphone and a desktop PC need the same interface because Microsoft is so far behind in the smartphone OS that they feel they only way they can survive is by getting the PC people familiar with their smartphone interface.

    Instead of win-win this is lose-lose, since I it will alienate many people who feel this is being forced on them.

    Of course they can put in tools to allow an easy exchange of information - in fact I would want that. Microsoft needs to optimize their OS for their platform instead of adopting a one size fits all approach.
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  7. #827


    Posts : 299
    win 7 home premium 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    It almost feels like Microsoft is an old friend that had decided to abandon me because he no longer values my friendship.
    Interesting observation because I believe a LOT of MS customers are feeling this way with Windows 8. Now of course they are in business to make the most profit (REASONABLY) possible, and I understand that. BUT business relationships are also built on the human level and with human emotions as well, NOT just with spread sheets and profit margins.

    MS is losing the loyalty of tens of millions (hundreds) of customers by the way they are shoving metro down our throats without allowing for CHOICE, even if those that do NOT want the metro UI would PAY more for that version of Windows 8.

    I wish Bill Gates or Paul Allen would monitor these forums and speak with MS planners.
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  8. #828


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    To play devil's advocate, they (Microsoft) have been providing you the same basic UI and experience with Windows for 17 years, and they've decided to change that (for the most part, entirely), including the programming interfaces, etc.

    The people complaining don't appear to have positions that would have supported them coming along in any case, and Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 will be supported until at least 2019 (7 more years). At that point, you should have had enough time to either determine if Windows 8 (or even Windows "9", whatever that becomes) is something you want to use, or if you should find alternatives.

    Yes, it's sort of like old friends parting, but people and friendships change and pretending like everything will continue to be the same as it has always been is just not a reality in almost anything. In keeping with the friendship analogy, Microsoft has apparently changed enough that they want to move on from an interface that you're familiar with to one that's not as familiar, and you have to decide if you still want to "be friends" and go along with them or part ways. You've got time, so it's probably best you use it to think about that.
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  9. #829


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    To play devil's advocate, they (Microsoft) have been providing you the same basic UI and experience with Windows for 17 years, and they've decided to change that (for the most part, entirely), including the programming interfaces, etc.

    The people complaining don't appear to have positions that would have supported them coming along in any case, and Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 will be supported until at least 2019 (7 more years). At that point, you should have had enough time to either determine if Windows 8 (or even Windows "9", whatever that becomes) is something you want to use, or if you should find alternatives.

    Yes, it's sort of like old friends parting, but people and friendships change and pretending like everything will continue to be the same as it has always been is just not a reality in almost anything. In keeping with the friendship analogy, Microsoft has apparently changed enough that they want to move on from an interface that you're familiar with to one that's not as familiar, and you have to decide if you still want to "be friends" and go along with them or part ways. You've got time, so it's probably best you use it to think about that.
    Very well put!
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  10. #830


    Denmark
    Posts : 224
    Windows 8.1 64bit Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    To play devil's advocate, they (Microsoft) have been providing you the same basic UI and experience with Windows for 17 years, and they've decided to change that (for the most part, entirely), including the programming interfaces, etc.

    The people complaining don't appear to have positions that would have supported them coming along in any case, and Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 will be supported until at least 2019 (7 more years). At that point, you should have had enough time to either determine if Windows 8 (or even Windows "9", whatever that becomes) is something you want to use, or if you should find alternatives.

    Yes, it's sort of like old friends parting, but people and friendships change and pretending like everything will continue to be the same as it has always been is just not a reality in almost anything. In keeping with the friendship analogy, Microsoft has apparently changed enough that they want to move on from an interface that you're familiar with to one that's not as familiar, and you have to decide if you still want to "be friends" and go along with them or part ways. You've got time, so it's probably best you use it to think about that.
    Well, that might be right, but that still not answer why MS don't want to give us a choise of Metro vs desktop. They could do it in 2 ways.

    Either let the user choose start-condition to Metro OR to desktop, and after this STAY there. that mix now with some features swap to Metro and other features swap to desktop is not very intuitive. Nomatter if it is on a tablet or a desktop PC.

    Or they could make 2 versions of Windows 8. One with Metro and one completely desktop (like Win7, but with win8 under the hood). And let people vote with their wallet. Do they want Win8 WITH or WITHOUT Metro?

    The way they doing it now is, despite big words as "new thinking", "innovative", "modern way" is, IMHO, not the right way to go, as many of os desktop-gamers really DON'T like metro.

    The next forcement from MS could be a "dx12 exclusive" for windows 8, the same way they left XP with dx9. I hope not this will be the future!
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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