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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #611


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    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by Got2bereal View Post
    It has paid dividends handsomely for Apple which already offers iCloud, App Store, and the next version of Mac OS X will tie into the cloud further. I'm sure the iUser will embrace it, not so sure about the Windows folks. Which is why I think Microsoft needs to break Win8 to different products with their own target base rather than deliver one single package that's made for all purposes.

    If it took over a decade to get rid of Windows XP, it will take even longer to get rid of Windows 7 especially Win8 offers no clear advantages.
    Agreed, Apple have done very well financially in this area. I think the point is though that they operated iOS and OSX separately. MS appears to be trying to do it all in one go. I don't personally see it as a problem as I will stick with Win7 which is working fine. I have no intention of jumping ship to Linux or Apple simply because I'm not in favour of the Metro UI. I can see though how plenty of folks are going to be p****d off over this though.

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    There seems a misconception here about desktop touchscreens. No one is suggesting you reach forward over your keyboard to touch a screen. The screen would be on your desk like a keyboard, maybe even built-in. To get a feel for how that works, if you have a graphics tablet like my Bamboo Fun, you can use fingers to move stuff around like on a touchscreen. To try to reach over to a vertical screen would indeed be madness!
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  3. #613


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    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate/Windows 8.1/Linux


    [QUOTE=thatmanbrian;78122]
    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    this Start Screen that always blocks my desktop
    Erm, it isn't blocking your desktop, it IS your desktop surely?
    It's actually one of two desktops. The switching between, for many users, is quite jarring.
    I mean you would put the icons from your original desktop on this start menu wouldn't you so don't need the old one. Nor do you need the task bar at the bottom of the desktop.
    You could, but why not just dispense with the Start page and leave the icons on the original desktop. As far as 'needing' the taskbar, that's really down to how one uses it. If it's simply used to switch programs, then you can probably afford to loose it and just use the Metro replacement. However, if one uses Jumplists or system tray applications/notifications etc., then it's still needed.
    However, you're not forced to do this. You can have your desktop just like it was in Win 7 (bar the start button) and ignore the Start screen if you don't like it. After I log in, I am taken direct to my old style desktop.
    The point is, one cannot simply avoid the Start page, it's there when one logs in and unless an alternative method is employed for launching applications - the 'legacy desktop' doesn't offer an easy way to do this out of the box - it's needed for that too. Also, even if we try to avoid Metro, it's still apparent on the 'legacy desktop' via 'hot corners' and the charm-bar.
    There seems a misconception here about desktop touchscreens. No one is suggesting you reach forward over your keyboard to touch a screen. The screen would be on your desk like a keyboard, maybe even built-in. To get a feel for how that works, if you have a graphics tablet like my Bamboo Fun, you can use fingers to move stuff around like on a touchscreen. To try to reach over to a vertical screen would indeed be madness!
    I'm sure a lot of people would like to own a futuristic desktop with inlaid touch monitor, but this reality, for most, is a pipe dream and not something to be anticipated any day soon.
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  4. #614


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    It seems that people who usually have a desktop full of shortcut icons now complain about having a start menu full of tiles. Where is the difference. At least the tiles don't shift their location every 5 minutes and they can be neatly organized in groups. I would call that progress.
    As I've written here before in some detail, people who filled their desktop with program icons in Windows 7 and used the Start Menu on a regular basis never understood how to use the Windows 7 taskbar. They'd be satisfied with anything, including the "Metro" thing. As I also described in that message, the "Metro" thing discards many principles of good UI design. The "Metro" thing is not progress; it's just a misguided blunder. The koolaid at Microsoft is some very powerful stuff.

    I have TWO icons on my desktop (Computer and Recycle-Bin) AND I use and like the Start-menu.

    I also use and like the Quick-Launch. Yes, I DO 'know how' to use the Taskbar, the fact that I CHOOSE
    to use it differently to some others is, I would have thought, the whole point of having it customisable.

    And, after over 20 years, I've worked out the best way to set Windows up to suit ME. I don't set my
    systems up to suit others, that's their task. And I don't want that ability to customise compromised.

    Metro....BLAH! Don't like it, but can use it. Could easily live without it, tho.
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  5. #615


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    I have TWO icons on my desktop (Computer and Recycle-Bin) AND I use and like the Start-menu.

    I also use and like the Quick-Launch. Yes, I DO 'know how' to use the Taskbar, the fact that I CHOOSE
    to use it differently to some others is, I would have thought, the whole point of having it customisable.
    LOL. There's no point whatsoever in using the "Quick Launch" bar in Windows 7; no, strike that, it's actually counter-productive to use it. And if you're using the Start Menu as your primary program launcher/organizer, well... You may say you understand the Windows 7 taskbar, but that claim is belied by your other statements, especially clinging to "Quick Launch". I wrote more about that a couple of weeks ago in the message before the one I linked to last time, which you can read here.
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  6. #616


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    I have TWO icons on my desktop (Computer and Recycle-Bin) AND I use and like the Start-menu.

    I also use and like the Quick-Launch. Yes, I DO 'know how' to use the Taskbar, the fact that I CHOOSE
    to use it differently to some others is, I would have thought, the whole point of having it customisable.
    LOL. There's no point whatsoever in using the "Quick Launch" bar in Windows 7; no, strike that, it's actually counter-productive to use it. And if you're using the Start Menu as your primary program launcher/organizer, well... You may say you understand the Windows 7 taskbar, but that claim is belied by your other statements, especially clinging to "Quick Launch". I wrote more about that a couple of weeks ago in the message before the one I linked to last time, which you can read here.


    The whole thing I always liked about Windows is/was the way there are multiple ways
    to accomplish tasks. There is NO 'right way' or 'wrong way'.

    Some use the keyboard exclusively, some a mouse, others both. Some work off the
    desktop, others do everything from within Explorer. None of these is 'right' or 'wrong'
    and has NO bearing on the ability or understanding of the user.

    And PLEASE don't presume to try to tell me what I do or don't understand, or
    attempt to diss me as some kind of newbie..

    You use it your way, I'll use it mine. Neither is 'wrong'. Just different.
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  7. #617


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    LOL. There's no point whatsoever in using the "Quick Launch" bar in Windows 7; no, strike that, it's actually counter-productive to use it. And if you're using the Start Menu as your primary program launcher/organizer, well... You may say you understand the Windows 7 taskbar, but that claim is belied by your other statements, especially clinging to "Quick Launch". I wrote more about that a couple of weeks ago in the message before the one I linked to last time, which you can read here.
    I have never understood you self-made experts who think you know the best and users not doing as you are just a joke, deserving to be laughed at.

    When you post something that ridiculous, begin at least by saying "in my opinion", instead of stating you opinion as a fact.

    I for instance could never pin items on my taskbar when QuickLaunch works for me so much better, allowing me to leave taskbar for those apps I am currently running.

    Keenly waiting you to respond that I must be a beginner, noob, never really used computer and Windows before and that is why I simply cannot understand that you know your Windows better than the rest of us, you know what you are talking about and everyone including me should just accept your words as proven facts and do as you say.

    One more expert to my ignore list.

    Kari

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    I for instance could never pin items on my taskbar when QuickLaunch works for me so much better, allowing me to leave taskbar for those apps I am currently running.
    This is exactly how I am and do.
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  9. #619


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    My point exactly.....

    We all know what we're doing, we just do it in different ways.

    Doesn't make one way or another 'right' or 'wrong'.

    I started on DOS 5/Win 3.0 when I upgraded from my A500+
    twenty years or so ago. Since then, I've used most Windows
    OSes, and have been beta-testing since Vista.

    All the way through, I've embraced new features, but have
    kept the WAY I use and set it up it fairly consistent.

    Because it works, and I'm cool with it.

    So. I set Win 8 up the same way. I cannot see what's wrong
    with that, or how it makes me somehow 'inferior'.

    As I said earlier, anyone is welcome to use Windows
    in the manner that suits THEM.

    The manner in which they choose to do so has no
    relationship to their experience or knowledge.

    There's no right way or wrong way, just different ways.

    Like, you can even bypass Metro AND the desktop
    and run the whole OS from within Explorer if you
    want.
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  10. #620


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Here is my Win 8 desktop.

    Running on an Acer AS5735 Core 2 Duo Penryn 2.0 Ghz, 3gb RAM, Intel
    4500MHD graphics. 1366x768 resolution.

    This is a Win 8 CP upgrade over a stable and mature 2+ year-old Win 7 Ultimate
    setup, and so far is running just fine. It runs games pretty well, too.


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    Just so long as I can get these, I actually like Win 8.

    As I said, it works for ME, and that's all that really matters.



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