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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1321


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    The advanced on the other hand will look everything over while still retaining a favored OS.
    So we agree, Windows 8 is the best choice.
    Improvements were made at the core level whike this will be the first "Touchscreen" OS MS has come out with. 7 still remains the "Favored OS" I was referring to however not only due to just the Modern gui change but everything works on 7 but not on 8.

    It puts me in the position of possibly seeing 8 as a secondary not primary OS here especially how it is a bit dual boot unfriendly as found out earlier on. I think the way MS is bringing it in however is much like seeing the beta fish wallpaper on the 7 beta and RC builds being wrapped up for retail as far as how it looks as a gui.

    One of the biggest complaint is no options for customizing things while I was finding there wasn't really any options for this type of transition to start with. That's where MS slipped up big time as far as most are concerned.

    Now one tip someone pasted on lately about those running the 32bit 8 with a Radeon card is to copy certain 7 version ATI drivers into the System32 folder to overcome OpenGL errors as far as gaming is concerned. I couldn't get any more about the 64bit however.

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  2. #1322


    Quote Originally Posted by Dogmatix View Post
    I have a Nano.... 3rd generation, the one with the 'landscape' display, and I'm still very happy with it. My kids have 5th generation Nanos; they like mucking about with the camera (and thereby draining the battery and filling up memory), but I just use mine to play music. I, too, was dismayed when the 6th generation came out. What, I thought, will I do if my Nano dies on me? Try to find another on Ebay, or get a non-Ipod-player? Not being the exercising type, I am still dismayed about the 6th generation version. I mean, I can see a market for such a thing, but why replace the 'normal' Nano? They could have given the new one another name ('Ipod Pico'?), and kept the old one. Now Apple have saved the situation with the 7th generation - at least I think so, as I still haven't see one in the shops (wasn't it supposed to come out last month?), and I'm a bit worried about the touch screen - too prone to accidental touches (like my smartphone).
    I know this is a W8 thread, but just wanted to follow up with you about the Nano. I'd bought the 3rd gen Nano for my mother, who really likes the wide screen on it. There are plenty of these for sale on eBay, so if you're really keen on keeping this form factor, then pick yourself up one in good condition for the price that's right for you. But don't discount the 6th gen. I seriously did not like it at first, missing the click wheel interface. But I've come to really like it. The first thing you have to do is pick up a $3 TPU case for it to protect the fragile metal casing. And just don't get it wet. Otherwise, the battery is fairly conservative. Also, you can double click the on/off button to advance a song in your playlist (something I like to do when working out). There are tactile volume buttons too. It's just a shame that a triple click of the on/off button doesn't do a "back one song" on the playlist. But I have to say, it's remarkable having such a small music player. Easy to attach to your running shorts or slip into a suit pocket. I think it's remarkable and shouldn't be abandoned. I like your product name idea of "iPod Pico".

    Anyway, in kind with what Apple did with the Nano, it seems Microsoft has done with Windows. I really think their abandoning of the W7 interface is a huge mistake. They really should have engineered the kernel to accommodate several GUI interfaces, so one could choose W8 tablet, W8 desktop, or W7 desktop. This would help appeal to so many people, especially if the OS improvements are notably better than W7.

    My hope is that some 3rd parties will develop various widgets that you can incorporate into the desktop and thus "sidestep" the Metro UI if you care to, morphing the interface into something more appealing to your personal needs. A perfect example is "Rocket Dock"... it gives you a Mac OS like launcher bar for use in Vista or W7, and can help you bypass having to rely upon desktop shortcuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Ah! Some more negative media sensationalism. Jumping on the "Pirillo" bandwagon. "It's so much fun showing people 8 without a little bit of instruction. Gee! People are so stupid, aren't they?!" Purely asinine IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Ah! Some more negative media sensationalism. Jumping on the "Pirillo" bandwagon. "It's so much fun showing people 8 without a little bit of instruction. Gee! People are so stupid, aren't they?!" Purely asinine IMO.
    But there is the problem (or one of them) which has been mentioned goodness knows how many times on these forums since MS dropped the classic UI. The media will play a huge part in making or breaking Win8 - exactly the same as Vista. A fact of life I'm afraid.
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  6. #1326


    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Ah! Some more negative media sensationalism. Jumping on the "Pirillo" bandwagon. "It's so much fun showing people 8 without a little bit of instruction. Gee! People are so stupid, aren't they?!" Purely asinine IMO.
    But there is the problem (or one of them) which has been mentioned goodness knows how many times on these forums since MS dropped the classic UI. The media will play a huge part in making or breaking Win8 - exactly the same as Vista. A fact of life I'm afraid.
    I can listen to all sorts of opinions on all sorts of products or means of performing a task, but unless I experience it for myself, I'll never get to know if it works for me. IMO most articles are based on opinions rather than fact. If people want to read and follow this kind of crap, that's their business. I'm surely not the king of the world. It's just purely asinine to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Ah! Some more negative media sensationalism. Jumping on the "Pirillo" bandwagon. "It's so much fun showing people 8 without a little bit of instruction. Gee! People are so stupid, aren't they?!" Purely asinine IMO.
    But there is the problem (or one of them) which has been mentioned goodness knows how many times on these forums since MS dropped the classic UI. The media will play a huge part in making or breaking Win8 - exactly the same as Vista. A fact of life I'm afraid.
    I can listen to all sorts of opinions on all sorts of products or means of performing a task, but unless I experience it for myself, I'll never get to know if it works for me. IMO most articles are based on opinions rather than fact. If people want to read and follow this kind of crap, that's their business. I'm surely not the king of the world. It's just purely asinine to me.
    Agreed, and I am one of those that spent time on getting rid of the junk that I didn't want or need from Vista and it was a pretty good OS (for me anyway). But that's not you're average user. These folks are influenced by the media. After all the media writers are the experts aren't they?? LOL
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  8. #1328


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Ah! Some more negative media sensationalism. Jumping on the "Pirillo" bandwagon. "It's so much fun showing people 8 without a little bit of instruction. Gee! People are so stupid, aren't they?!" Purely asinine IMO.
    The guy who is quoted in that article has a PHD in Human-Computer interaction, holds 79 US patents pertaining to ui usability elements, and has written 7+ books on user interface design. What are your credentials in this field?
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  9. #1329


    Quote Originally Posted by snoop101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Ah! Some more negative media sensationalism. Jumping on the "Pirillo" bandwagon. "It's so much fun showing people 8 without a little bit of instruction. Gee! People are so stupid, aren't they?!" Purely asinine IMO.
    The guy who is quoted in that article has a PHD in Human-Computer interaction, holds 79 US patents pertaining to ui usability elements, and has written 7+ books on user interface design. What are your credentials in this field?
    I have none and you know that. Not a fair comeback IMO. Please respect my opinion as I respect yours.

    I truly respect the man's expertise in his field, but if one knows anything about science, one knows that no science is an exact science. It's dynamic. What we discover today will lead us to discover more tomorrow. Yes, there are constants in the universe, such as the speed of light as Einstein has proclaimed, but that's not a absolute. Just because no one has proven it wrong doesn't mean it's an absolute. No, it's called a constant as we know it today. We must remain open minded on these matters.

    Allow me to quote the Wikipedia article on the subject of User experience (UX):

    User experience (UX) is the way a person feels about using a product, system or service. User experience highlights the experiential, affective, meaningful and valuable aspects of human-computer interaction and product ownership, but it also includes a person’s perceptions of the practical aspects such as utility, ease of use and efficiency of the system. User experience is subjective in nature, because it is about an individual’s feelings and thoughts about the system. User experience is dynamic, because it changes over time as the circumstances change.
    No doubt this expert performed a professional, scientific study on the combined UIs of 8 as an OS, but if he conduct's the same study, let's say a year from now after people have used the "system", he'll get completely different results, for it's a dynamic science. I'm not at all doubting his results, nor his statement. A bit "dramatic" IMO, but not doubting it whatsoever. Also keep in mind that the article didn't post his professional results, just his opinion of the results.

    All I'm saying is that some of the media jumps on these kinds of statements using it in a more "dramatic and sensational" way. Perhaps I'm a bit old fashioned. I come from the pre "tabloid" age. To me, tabloids started this "Sensation titled" aspect of media. An "attention getter" to sell their kind of story. Doesn't necessarily means it's fact.

    People need to have the chance to use a product for themselves to come to their own conclusion. MS has strived at this by allowing the download of RP for quite a while on their Windows site. Why don't we hear more article authors pointing to this? OK to print an opinion, but why not in a more positive way and lead people to decide for themselves?
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  10. #1330


    I agree, Tony, but I think in the long term the consumer community will decide the fate of Windows 8. XP was met with much criticism at first, and in fact it was out of favor for a long time until SP2 arrived. After SP2 it became a pretty rock-solid OS, seeing wide acceptance from end users and businesses alike.

    Vista was met with a lot of unhappiness because it required significant hardware upgrades for a lot of people (my little 256 MB XP machine could not handle Vista, even though 256 MB was more than plenty for XP). By the time the dust settled on that, Windows 7 showed up and the hardware on the market had caught up.

    Windows 8 does not appears to have any significant hardware requirements beyond what Windows 7 has. The interface is different, confusing at first, and a radical shift. In the long run, as the same interface shows up in other places, I think people will get used to it. I've never heard people say "hey, I can't figure out this iPad interface" or "my Galaxy tablet is so hard to use" - they adapt.

    Time will tell how well consumers can adapt to the new OS and whether they'll like it enough to embrace it.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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