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Windows 8.1 refuses to sleep

  1. #601


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NCguy View Post
    So with the scheduled maintenance apps is there something peculiar about them that the computer won't enter sleep again if they were awakened by the maintenance task?
    It's logical to me, NC, mainly because my friend said he turned it off and his computer now sleeps. Those in the private group I got this info from are all much, much, much (ad infinitum) more knowledgeable than I.

    Logic also tells me this won't be the final solution to the sleep problem in Windows 8.1. While I was using Windows 8.1, turning off the power options allowed my computer to sleep, but in the long run was much more inconvenient than a computer with insomnia.

    As you know, fiddling with networking sometimes solves the problem . . . and we can go on and on and on . . .

    Bottom line is that Microsoft got it wrong, and so far, none of us have stumbled upon the actual solution; maybe some one will trip over it in the near future. Or, maybe someone on the Windows Team at Microsoft will beat us to it. Whichever way it turns out, I wish they would hurry up. I'd really like to go ahead and put Windows 8.1 back on this system, but I'll hold off for awhile longer.
    To start I agree that the sleep function is important and it has serious issues with 8.1. My guess is that there are many issues and I still think that while Microsoft will make tweaks that they will also continue to rebrake it making it an ongoing problem.

    I accept that maintenance does wake the device and then it won't reenter sleep. Im just wondering why it won't reenter sleep and why scheduling the tasks for day rather than night allows it to perform the same maintenance but subsequently sleep. Why does it day sleep but not night sleep?

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  2. #602


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by NCguy View Post
    I accept that maintenance does wake the device and then it won't reenter sleep. Im just wondering why it won't reenter sleep and why scheduling the tasks for day rather than night allows it to perform the same maintenance but subsequently sleep. Why does it day sleep but not night sleep?
    My friend said, "I changed that to some time in the day when I would be on the computer." I'm assuming he did something to put the computer back to sleep after the tasks were run and he was away from the computer any length of time. Otherwise, as you suggest, it just wouldn't make sense that the computer would go back to sleep when it was supposed to.
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  3. #603


    Posts : 286
    W8.1 Pro 64


    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NCguy View Post
    I accept that maintenance does wake the device and then it won't reenter sleep. Im just wondering why it won't reenter sleep and why scheduling the tasks for day rather than night allows it to perform the same maintenance but subsequently sleep. Why does it day sleep but not night sleep?
    My friend said, "I changed that to some time in the day when I would be on the computer." I'm assuming he did something to put the computer back to sleep after the tasks were run and he was away from the computer any length of time. Otherwise, as you suggest, it just wouldn't make sense that the computer would go back to sleep when it was supposed to.
    Either what you said or possibly if the computer is already awake when maintenance starts then maybe it will subsequently enter sleep on its own? Maybe it's the process of wake from sleep and not the task itself that's the cause?
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  4. #604


    Like others, I think that there are multiple factors involved which explains why no one affected seems to have an answer that works for everyone and why some "solutions" don't stick.

    My comp pretty reliably sleeps after 28 sec. This time lag I have experienced several times in my attempts to find the elusive "answer". This still indicates that the problem still exists as the proper timeout should be no longer than 0-6 sec. And it should do this every time not just when it feels like it.

    One thing I have found pretty consistently is that it will slam dunk to sleep mode if it is running a youtube video from IE11 or Firefox when the sleep timer cuts in. Screen cut and sleep occur at the same time. Could someone else try this to see whether there is a pattern? I set screen and sleep to 1 min.
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  5. #605


    Just checked a Vista machine while it was running a YT clip. The screen will blank while playing but the video keeps going. When the video stops, the comp sleeps after about 8-10 sec.

    To my way of thinking, both the screen and video should signal the power system to keep awake till the clip stops. Really looks a bit shambolic, overall. Wonder how MS decided on these 'rules'?
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  6. #606


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by linw View Post
    Just checked a Vista machine while it was running a YT clip. The screen will blank while playing but the video keeps going. When the video stops, the comp sleeps after about 8-10 sec.

    To my way of thinking, both the screen and video should signal the power system to keep awake till the clip stops. Really looks a bit shambolic, overall. Wonder how MS decided on these 'rules'?
    I have found that when downloading in Windows 7, the computer will go to sleep mid-download and won't restart until I wake the computer up. In the past, when I started a large download, I would always change the power settings to "never sleep". I'm going to start a large download again tomorrow, so I'll watch to see what happens with Windows 8. I have done large downloads with Win 8, but have usually been using the computer during downloads, and can't remember an unattended download.

    I'll see what happens tomorrow . . .
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  7. #607


    Manchester CT
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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    Quote Originally Posted by linw View Post
    Like others, I think that there are multiple factors involved which explains why no one affected seems to have an answer that works for everyone and why some "solutions" don't stick.

    My comp pretty reliably sleeps after 28 sec. This time lag I have experienced several times in my attempts to find the elusive "answer". This still indicates that the problem still exists as the proper timeout should be no longer than 0-6 sec. And it should do this every time not just when it feels like it.

    One thing I have found pretty consistently is that it will slam dunk to sleep mode if it is running a youtube video from IE11 or Firefox when the sleep timer cuts in. Screen cut and sleep occur at the same time. Could someone else try this to see whether there is a pattern? I set screen and sleep to 1 min.
    Linw, There may be some confusion between sleep and hibernation or a hybird/sleep combo (if there is such an animal) with your machine. Hibernation needs to store the state of the machine in memory onto the hard drive so that it can start up with everything to where it was. Sleep just keeps memory alive so no need to store anything. See if your hard drive light stays lit all the time before finally going to sleep. If it does, then SOMETHING is being stored on the drive for some unknown reason. As for the delay, who cares? As long as it sleeps, you are ahead of the game. Heh.
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  8. #608


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    I have found that when downloading in Windows 7, the computer will go to sleep mid-download and won't restart until I wake the computer up. In the past, when I started a large download, I would always change the power settings to "never sleep". I'm going to start a large download again tomorrow, so I'll watch to see what happens with Windows 8. I have done large downloads with Win 8, but have usually been using the computer during downloads, and can't remember an unattended download.

    I'll see what happens tomorrow . . .
    OK, I've downloaded several large files unattended and each time Windows went to sleep, I saw the number of megabytes downloaded so far just before the screen went blank. I waited several minutes and the download had progressed quite far enough that I knew Windows sleeping didn't make a difference. Although the computer was asleep, the download progressed. All downloads finished.

    I know others have said a sleeping computer has no influence on stopping the download in Windows 7, but I have never had a successful download without telling Windows 7 to stay awake and to not go to sleep.

    Of course, this is in Windows 8. I no longer have Windows 8.1 on this system. The next test will be with Windows 8.1.
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  9. #609


    @John. I never use hibernation. My HDD light always shows some light activity but have no idea what it is doing. And while my comp does usually sleep, I just know it is not right because of the variable lag and the fact that it ignores the power requests while playing YT clips. (The requests list shows IE and Flash Player wanting to hold the display and under SYSTEM, the audio stream has a request in).

    When the power system gets to a trigger point, it sends notification of an impending shutdown to apps and device drivers in case they need to take some action. Maybe one or more are not responding in our affected systems? Would maybe explain why there are only some comps affected.

    Thought I would stop wasting my time on this but it still bugs me bigtime!!

    Good reference here Power Management (Windows)
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  10. #610


    Manchester CT
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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    Linw, I hear you! I know ALL ABOUT the damn Power management as it pertains to sleep (I even have it bookmarked) but for the life of me could not figure out why there was sometimes a 2 -5 minute lag in the sleep cycle. I checked logs, did tests, and found only one thing, hybrid sleep, that seemed to fit the bill.

    Perhaps we should just say that Win8.1 is doing a new "extra-special" backup and shutting down critical settings of networking settings before going to sleep that Win8 did not do. This would explain the lag that is now there. TADA, you no longer have to worry about the lag! And may be true! Now you can sleep at night and no longer work on the issue. Heh.
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