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New Windows Boss Confirms Start Menu Is Not Coming Back

While a Start Menu would obviously make the transition (and for some, life) a lot easier, it would ultimately be a 180° for Microsoft and its future plans to integrate the PC with mobile devices.

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[jimbo45]

My point is you should not need a keyboard to fine a program it should be organized to be easy to find without a search.

Hi there
Maybe my bad English but doesn't FIND mean basically a SEARCH even if it's a simple single LOOK rather than involve say a number of scrolls (either horizontally or vertically) or enter an argument such as zzz* into a box.

Please also tell me say you have 781 programs installed which contain sub programs and sub programs so the total number of possibilities you could have might be over 3,000. How would you arrange that on a screen in ANY type of system without some sort of "Manual Search".

In any case I LIKE the use of customized toolbars on W8 -- why not set up - Programs, most used applications etc -- very quick and easy to get to what you want without having to scroll or have lots of Icons on a desktop or on the quick launch bar. I have a thread on this Forum about creating a Menu like facility from W8 WITHOUT using any third party tools.

http://www.eightforums.com/customiz...without-using-3rd-party-apps-system-mods.html

Cheers
jimbo

 

[chrisa]

You have a Surface Pro and you left the keyboard at home now what. We are suppose to have a GUI not command line.

A) the keyboard acts as a cover. Why would you take one without the other?

and

B) it has a touchscreen on-screen keyboard when going full tablet.

 

[lehnerus2000]

I find it easier to press a key and execute a listed program than navigate a nested menu.

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Why do these programs appear when you press "N":

• Obly?
• Animation Shop 2?
• Paint Shop Pro 6?

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Seems noone remembers XP being the equivalent of 8 today. Until people started using 3rd party apps to customize it like Tweak UI etc.

Nope.
It wasn't necessary.

I did try "Tweak UI" (many years ago) but apart from the menu speed settings, it didn't offer anything that I needed.
It "didn't get a guernsey" in my last two XP installs.

 

[mdmd]

Why do these programs appear when you press "N":

• Obly?
• Animation Shop 2?
• Paint Shop Pro 6?

Some programs have not been installed (not in the registry) but exist in a folder (called net) created in the program data start menu system folder. The search or listing feature sometimes shows adjacent or related programs (by location or spelling). Obly is located next to a folder called net in the program data start menu system folder. Obly is not an installed application.



I do not know what kind of coding algorithm 8 uses for listing or searches.
Auto arranging desktop icons are not exactly alphabetical by the file name first letter.
The apps area is alphabetical similar to a start menu.
Windows 7, XP and Linux Mint (or Apple) are not perfect Operating Systems either.

 

[karma mechanic]

It doesn't appear logical.

I just tried a search for Macrium Reflect.
No hits.

Just Reflect gives the answer you'd expect.

Unfortunately the desktop icon says 'Macrium Reflect' and that's the name I associate with the program.

 

[mdmd]

All you need do is type r.
The name of the program is reflect.



If you are looking for a program, you don't normally type the makers name like Stardock or Microsoft.
(or Macrium)

 

[karma mechanic]

All you need do is type r.
The name of the program is reflect.

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Except on the desktop it is clearly shown as Macrium Reflect, so that's what I'd look for.

I know that the 'r' works, but only because I tried that after the initial failure. Some posts above were suggesting that there were more hits than expected sometimes, and I was illustrating a case where there are fewer hits than expected

 

[mdmd]

my desktop, oh well

 

[karma mechanic]

I just renamed the desktop shortcut, now perhaps I'll get used to calling it Reflect

Perhaps the shortcut dates back a long way, and the more recent updates have adopted different naming without changing the old shortcut.

BTW, Adobe Photoshop, Foxit Reader, Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Paragon Hard Disk Manager all work with the full name.

 

[HippsieGypsie]

Another thing I've discovered about starting a query in Start Screen when one starts to type is that the program one opens last in the previous query (using the same letter(s) appears first. e.g. After my last fresh install I queried "n" to look for Notepad. It appeared somewhere like 3rd on the list. I arrowed down pushed Enter to open. Subsequently thereafter I simply type "n" and Notepad appears first on the list just like "most recently opened". Then all I need to do is push Enter.

I can open Notepad in less than a blink of an eye with 3 keys. WinKey -> n key -> Enter. Walla!

Edit: Never mind. I was wrong. I just experimented with queries and what I stated isn't true, but I could swear that's the way it was for Notepad after my install . So, I assumed.

 

[SIW2]

You could be right. It seems to work like that with start menu. Winkey, letter, enter. It also seems to put last selection at the top if you try it again.

edit:

Only works sometimes, now I have tried it.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Search & Help

Windows 7, XP and Linux Mint (or Apple) are not perfect Operating Systems either.

I don't recall implying that they were.

It doesn't appear logical.

I just tried a search for Macrium Reflect.
No hits.

Just Reflect gives the answer you'd expect.

Unfortunately the desktop icon says 'Macrium Reflect' and that's the name I associate with the program.

This highlights the "problem" with relying on Search.

You have to hope that whoever designed the search algorithm thinks the same way you do.
Users should have the option of being able to add their own keywords to the database.

A similar situation occurs when using Help files.
Users should have the option of being able to add their own keywords and comments to the database.

 

[mdmd]

This highlights the "problem" with relying on Search.

You have to hope that whoever designed the search algorithm thinks the same way you do.

There is a standard for code algorithms. It has nothing to do with personalities.
When using a computer, if one cannot rely on a search, then the computer would be a rather flawed device.
However, it matters that the user comply with the GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) rules.
If a user incorrectly enters alphanumeric characters that do not accurately identify a pointer to content, then it is the users fault.

The start menu is no more accurate in finding content than what is available in Windows 8.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Personality?

There is a standard for code algorithms. It has nothing to do with personalities.

Who said anything about personality?
What's being a "Great Guy/Gal" got to do with anything?

Simple example:

• You call a defrag program, "HDD Maintenance" and I call it "defrag"
• In my search program, I include "defrag" as a keyword, but I don't include "HDD Maintenance" as a keyword.
• You can search for "HDD Maintenance" until you are "blue in the face" and you'll never find the defrag program.

When using a computer, if one cannot rely on a search, then the computer would be a rather flawed device.

Just check out how many threads there are on SevenForums related to Search:

• Not working
• Returning the wrong results

However, it matters that the user comply with the GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) rules.
If a user incorrectly enters alphanumeric characters that do not accurately identify a pointer to content, then it is the users fault.

Q - Who set GIGO?
A - The people that wrote the software.

Q - Who determines the pointer parameters?
A - The people that wrote the software.

You didn't even read karma mechanic's post, or you didn't understand what he wrote.

Apparently it is inconceivable to you that anyone would think that "Macrium Reflect Free Edition" would be called:

• "Macrium Reflect Free Edition"
• "Macrium Reflect Free"
• "Macrium Reflect"

Click on picture for animation.

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The start menu is no more accurate in finding content than what is available in Windows 8.

I didn't say that other operating systems have better (or worse) search than W8.

 

[mdmd]

You have to hope that whoever designed the search algorithm thinks the same way you do.

It is a mathematical scheme that is based on ascii values not human views.

Just check out how many threads there are on SevenForums related to Search

First, I have no interest in Windows 7 and or the forum.
Second, errors from search are common and mostly attributal to human error.

Who set GIGO?

Actually, gigo is a combination of hardware and software architectual imperatives that make a computer a useful tool. Without it, the processor would be error prone.

In any event, using the Windows 8 apps area is an adequate source of content for my perusal. Win + Q

 

[lehnerus2000]

Conveniently ...

Second, errors from search are common and mostly attributal to human error.

Conveniently, human error only applies to end users and not the people involved in creating the search tool.

Actually, gigo is a combination of hardware and software architectual imperatives that make a computer a useful tool. Without it, the processor would be error prone.

What it actually means is only valid inputs, produce valid outputs.

The designer of the device/system (historically a human) determines the value of a valid input and the corresponding valid output.
This is documented, so that other people can use the device/system for some function.

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This is probably appropriate:

Garbage in, gospel out is a more recent expansion of the acronym. It is a sardonic comment on the tendency to put excessive trust in "computerized" data, and on the propensity for individuals to blindly accept what the computer says.