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Dear readers: How would you change or improve Windows 8?

  1. #41


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    If so, then the person in the video from the article would not be looking for the start menu in the system tray.
    The addons like fancy visuals, media center, ORB system, DVD support, etc.. does add somewhat to the Win32 code length. It would not be prudent to debate unrelated specifics. The 8UI is a separate entity.
    Koko would have some difficulty learning how to pin and unpin installations.
    Have a nice day.

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  2. #42


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    The difficulty with Metro arises when people that ARE smart and ARE conmputer savy try to get more complex things done and Metro completely counters that ability.

    Metro was made to BE stupid, it limits choices and abilities specifically to make it easier to use for simple non-demanding daily consumerist like tasks. It is in fact MORE complex when you try to do something with it that it wasn't designed to do. That's the /problem/ with it when professional users try to deal with it. The interface is too stupid to be used in a professional manner.

    Microsoft assumes that all those hard things are things that most people don't need, want or even know how to do so they hid them, but that makes it even harder on people that DO want those features.

    The entirety of the Metro API including the advertising platform and completely new gui system adds probably 100 times as much bloat as the original start menu did. Hell the charms bar itself is probably equal to the "bloat" of the start menu even of you removed all of the rest of metro.
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    The crux of the problem is: A smartfone/tablet OS/GUI will never double for a desktop OS/GUI.

    And W8 is a smartfone/tablet OS/GUI which also tries to masquerade as a desktop OS/GUI, as an afterthought. And does a poor job of it.
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  4. #44


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    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    Even Samsung has introduced their own start menu for their own W8 pc's. I guess they know better tham MS what consumers want, lol.

    Samsung's S Launcher feels like an old friend in Windows 8, brings back the Start Menu :: TweakTown USA Edition
    That's a consumer orientated manufacturer using some good old "Common Sense" approach to the mess MS came up with!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    The crux of the problem is: A smartfone/tablet OS/GUI will never double for a desktop OS/GUI.

    And W8 is a smartfone/tablet OS/GUI which also tries to masquerade as a desktop OS/GUI, as an afterthought. And does a poor job of it.
    The Metro proves to be a mesh mash of retorical nonsense and not any actual form of well thought out transition phase to bring in new functionality as well as a new look for the Windows OS! The Start screen looks like the beta wallpaper everyone simply wants to get rid of on first sight only guess what? You are stuck with it!

    Apparently hindsight became foresight with MS when this whole new gui concept was dreamed up where you can't simply abandon things that work on any desktop type OS to simply slap a mobile gui in as a substitute without things being well thought out ahead of time. The lack of setup options being available to bridge the gap between desktop and mobile shows that hindsight was placed on the priority list!
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  5. #45


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    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Metro is Windows dumbed down for chimps plain and simple. Simple knuckle punching of large icons to launch single full screen similarly spare (in design and functionality) apps so as to not confuse people or animals of little computer experience. Koko the Gorilla could use Windows 8, that's how dumbed down it is...
    So what you are saying is that some 50% of the users of this forum have the intelligence of chimps? Most asinine comment I've seen on these forums yet.
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  6. #46


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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Metro is Windows dumbed down for chimps plain and simple. Simple knuckle punching of large icons to launch single full screen similarly spare (in design and functionality) apps so as to not confuse people or animals of little computer experience. Koko the Gorilla could use Windows 8, that's how dumbed down it is...
    So what you are saying is that some 50% of the users of this forum have the intelligence of chimps? Most asinine comment I've seen on these forums yet.
    He was referring to how MS dumbed down the gui not the user who finds it useless! Amd in actual fact over 50% who have already seen what 8 is bringing in are planning to skip 8 entirely! That wouldn't make them low IQed would it?

    They are simply stunned at how MS trashed the desktop concept to move at the mobile market! I would say they have simply found 8 to be more frustrating and the need to addon this or that on and would rather wait until MS comes out with a more suitable upgrade from what is working for them in the here and now.

    The blame is on MS for how they are bringing in drastic changes without any comprehension of what the typical "desktop" user is looking for since they have the monopoly! Greed on market shares comes before Practicality for most as the corporate design decision. 7 on the other hand was MS learning from all past mistakes to finally put together a working OS!
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    Oops, slight misunderstanding, Ok.
    This very likely could enrage the pack, but I was referring to dumbing down by leaving some of the legacy stuff in place. Dumbing down by leaving the ORB there. MS would be assuming the users are too stupid to figure out the start screen if they retained the ORB. ... From all sources out of MS posted online, MS considers the start screen a better option compared to the ORB system ... there was some controversy within the company on this point. The BOSS makes the decision.
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  8. #48


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    It's not only just the Start orb and Programs as well as Start menu most are weary about. But you have to weigh in how they tore apart the OS as far as how to find the various settings and functions you would generally expect to find all in one place being the Control Panel with a link right off of the Start menu. Now you have to go around in circles between popup right click menus, hidden settings bars, etc. making the entire process confusing from the start for most!

    Now top that off with the usual reluctance to jump on each new version just because someone else likes it while you are set with what you already have especially when recent and not 12yrs. old! The continuing problem for any business on the other hand is the investment in hardwares as well as softwares which fetch a much higher cost then you and me would generally pay out! The software companies make their rewards duping the business sector while the business sector writes that off as the cost of doing business as usual.

    Now MS decides to come out with an unproductive OS following the huge success seen with 7 overall. At least with the side bar in Vista you had the choice of the right click and uncheck option while the Metro is geared at pushing $$$ signs for you buy more from us at the average user. For most that's an automatic turnoff!
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    Seems to be quite a few who haven't worked that one out yet, mdmd.

    Quite a useful little menu....
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