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Dear readers: How would you change or improve Windows 8?[/h] Summary: Criticize or evangelize: some love it but many hate it: Windows 8. Dear readers, what changes would you make before you are swayed into buying Microsoft's latest offering?

By Zack Whittaker for Between the Lines
August 23, 2012 -- 12:28 GMT (05:28 PDT)


Windows 8 has been called many things: a "design disaster," an "unmitigated disaster," and even been likened to Vista, which is perhaps a little harsh. That said, it has also dubbed a "fresh start" for Microsoft.

The code is final, the hardware and computer makers have the finalized software, and ordinary users and enterprise customers will receive the updated Microsoft operating system later this year in October.


Yet many customers are wary over purchasing licenses or upgrading to Windows 8 in fear that the new interface is too confusing. That's the crux of the matter: people like to know where things are and on the most part do not like radical change.


In one real-life, hands-on demonstration of the barriers faced by ordinary users, Chris Pirillo sat his father down at a fresh install of the Windows 8 Consumer Preview (which has since been released to manufacturing albeit with a pretty weak 'tutorial') and left him to his own devices. It's painful to watch, but it rounds-up exactly how many feel about the design of the new operating system.

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The video was hilarious, awkward, and like the quote, painful to watch.
It was an unfair test case - my mother could not identify what a mouse is.
She has no idea what LCD means. My father has a problem with left and right clicks.
Is their vision impaired? Do they have arthritis?
Neither know what a WinKey is. It was funny when he said, "where's the thing with all the square blocks"
"There's supposed to be a menu or something in the corner over there !" LOL
It was a chuckle. Do the same with a 23 year old... or a 14 year old, or a 39 year old...
Some people need a few kind hints to get going. It was a funny though ... LOL
Where is this thread going?
 
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And even after Chris' father struggled with Windows 8, in the end when asked if he would buy a Windows 8 tablet he said if it was the same price as the iPad he would. Reason being he knows he'd be able to access Excel and do things with Windows that he's accustomed to, and can't do on the iPad, once he learned the new interface.
 

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I've seen a few of these videos and every time I watch them, I always want to say to the people in the video, "You almost friggin' had it!!!!"

But if I were asked what to make Windows 8 better...

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It would have to be a more metroized and modernly designed Desktop with ALL the Aero iconography removed and replaced with neater metro styled icons like Office 2013 has. Also, I would add the luscious and so uber smooth UI feel of Office 2013 into the Desktop. I'd also want Control Panel redesigned to look more like PC Settings so it's simple and clean looking. I'm asking for every vestige of vista gone for good.

If Microsoft added more of the metro style in the Desktop, I'd think it would be more of a hit, at least for me! :p
 

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Get a 0.357 magnum and put it out of it's misery? :D
 

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Simple. Integrate Metro with the desktop.

1) Allow metro apps to run full screen or windowed, movable, resizable on the desktop as the user wishes.
2) Make Metro start screen run in either full screen or windowed mode as the user wishes.
3) Put back the start menu for the desktop.

This way people can use only metro or only the desktop OR a nice and unrestrained combination of the two.
 

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I've seen a few of these videos and every time I watch them, I always want to say to the people in the video, "You almost friggin' had it!!!!"

But if I were asked what to make Windows 8 better...

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It would have to be a more metroized and modernly designed Desktop with ALL the Aero iconography removed and replaced with neater metro styled icons like Office 2013 has. Also, I would add the luscious and so uber smooth UI feel of Office 2013 into the Desktop. I'd also want Control Panel redesigned to look more like PC Settings so it's simple and clean looking. I'm asking for every vestige of vista gone for good.

If Microsoft added more of the metro style in the Desktop, I'd think it would be more of a hit, at least for me! :p

I got to hand it to you: this looks good!

Better than the hybrid look + old icons of the RTM.

How / where did you get that look in Explorer?
 

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Concur with FSeal.

1. Direct boot to desk top to by-pass Metro
2. Legacy start menu.

Given that I'd be first in the queue to buy it.
 

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And even after Chris' father struggled with Windows 8, in the end when asked if he would buy a Windows 8 tablet he said if it was the same price as the iPad he would.

A lot of Metro haters (me included) would agree. That's the point - the problem with 8 isn't tablets.
 

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Metro, I can live with.

But I want my Aero back!

I hate the flat, plain, no-transparency look.

**Sits in corner and sulks**
 

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And even after Chris' father struggled with Windows 8, in the end when asked if he would buy a Windows 8 tablet he said if it was the same price as the iPad he would.

A lot of Metro haters (me included) would agree. That's the point - the problem with 8 isn't tablets.

Well in a sense it is. W8 offers a Tablet PC type touchscreen gui as a desktop OS which will simply baffle any novice user as well as trip the advanced while the advanced will put more effort in to find out where things are.

The best of that report is summed up in one paragraph.

Yet many customers are wary over purchasing licenses or upgrading to Windows 8 in fear that the new interface is too confusing. That's the crux of the matter: people like to know where things are and on the most part do not like radical change.

The link leading off from that one to another blog makes the MS tutorial for 8 into a joke!

Imagine my surprise when I first booted up the final Windows 8 code onto a system to find that the tutorial led with this:

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That's it. No explanation of where the Start Menu has gone and what replaces it, no tips on using the new Start Screen, and no tips on using Metro -- sorry, I mean Windows 8 style apps.


"Move your mouse into any corner". That's it.


That was from the report seen at The Windows 8 'tutorial' is a joke | ZDNet
 

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A longer, more in-depth how to use the new interface tutorial.
Ability to make Metro start screen optional.
Ability to have a more classic start menu.
Ability to install and customize and then make a remastered ISO of your system the way you have it.
 

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they still should've left the start button on the taskbar like it was in the dp instead of having to try and find it.

Just watched the video of that guy trying to use windows 8
 

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If you watch the video you will know Chris Dad is not a complete newbie.

He has been using pc's for basic tasks for a long while.

I think it is represenatative of a very large number of potential customers.

MS have now pinned IE and Explorer to the desktop taskbar - to stop millions of users getting completely trapped.

They were likely planning to do that anyway - it is inconceivable they would have released it as it was then.

The video was hilarious, awkward, and like the quote, painful to watch.
It was an unfair test case - my mother could not identify what a mouse is.
She has no idea what LCD means. My father has a problem with left and right clicks.
Is their vision impaired? Do they have arthritis?
Neither know what a WinKey is. It was funny when he said, "where's the thing with all the square blocks"
"There's supposed to be a menu or something in the corner over there !" LOL
It was a chuckle. Do the same with a 23 year old... or a 14 year old, or a 39 year old...
Some people need a few kind hints to get going. It was a funny though ... LOL
Where is this thread going?
 

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I have seen young people fiddling around with the metro with a view of total repulsion. They think the metro is stupid. You tube is littered with all kinds of comedy about the metro.
So the common typical user can't figure it out.
It's way too complicated, counter intuitive, unfriendly, ugly, useless.
Hey, I don't work for MS. I just live here.

Putting the mouse into any corner, I think, really does help.
In the video, the user was trying to find the start menu from inside the system tray.
Does not really look like a person who knows what he is doing.
The video person did not touch the Winkey.

I disagree that it is a joke. It does not seem all that complicated to me to go to the right top or bottom corner
(as described in the pic) to get most of the controls needed for typical use, especially the start from the charms bar.
It's right there, center right.

Right clicking the bottom left or win X is more for users that have some idea of what they are doing.

For most common typical users, this new thing might be a joke,
it is and will be a mess,
but it will not take long to get used to it.

Then everyone will be showing everyone else how to use it.
 
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If you watch the video you will know Chris Dad is not a complete newbie.

He has been using pc's for basic tasks for a long while.

I think it is represenatative of a very large number of potential customers.

MS have now pinned IE and Explorer to the desktop taskbar - to stop millions of users getting completely trapped.

They were likely planning to do that anyway - it is inconceivable they would have released it as it was then.

The video was hilarious, awkward, and like the quote, painful to watch.
It was an unfair test case - my mother could not identify what a mouse is.
She has no idea what LCD means. My father has a problem with left and right clicks.
Is their vision impaired? Do they have arthritis?
Neither know what a WinKey is. It was funny when he said, "where's the thing with all the square blocks"
"There's supposed to be a menu or something in the corner over there !" LOL
It was a chuckle. Do the same with a 23 year old... or a 14 year old, or a 39 year old...
Some people need a few kind hints to get going. It was a funny though ... LOL
Where is this thread going?

I think that will be the majority that will find 8 to be an awkward piece of work! As far as the IE and WE icons pinned by default to the taskbar that was introduced with 7. XP and Vista previously saw the Quick Launch bar option.

Pinning things to the taskbar and gadgets on the desktop instead of the cumbersome side bar Vista saw. What 8 is bringing in however is far more tedious leaving the typical user stumped at first sight!

As far as the Start screen appearing at startup and then suddenly no longer being seen that suggests after so many startups the Start screen no longer auto loads with Windows like it has a counter set to limit it to a certain number until the new 8 user is familiar with how to bring it up again. This is something automatic rather then MS seeing the need to add in a disable option.

The real annoyance besides getting a few 3rd party tweaks on like Classic Shell however is how the main settings are torn up with only some Control Panel items found in the right click menu in the Start screen corner. Some others are to be found when exploring the Charms bar for Settings and Apps. And then you are lost from there on unless having the CP displayed in the WE window along with all the drives!

The video plainly shows the average dumb foundedness many will find stifling when trying to figure out how things work. While most will be able to locate the various things 8 will be bringing in the entire layout is typical of someone having a bad pc dream! :ditto:
 

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The major issue with Windows 8 is the lack of tutorial. Sure, it's different but if there was a proper tutorial showing more details of the ins and outs of navigating Windows 8 users wouldn't get frustrated. Moving your mouse to a corner is a small part of what's new, there should be a tile on the Start Screen that when clicked links to tutorial videos online. Or better yet, there should be an App on the Start Screen that users can access that explains everything to the user.
 

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There are tutorials from various sources - F1 key (desktop) and others.
The problem is, many people don't like to read, have little comprehension, are too impatient, and get easily frustrated. Some expect the experience to be effortless or they get emotional.

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There are tutorials from various sources - F1 key (desktop) and others.
The problem is, many people don't like to read, have little comprehension, are too impatient, and get easily frustrated. Some expect the experience to be effortless or they get emotional.

Common sense doesn't seem to be natural for a majority of people, most want something in front of their face so that it is obvious. It's just like the ridiculous complaints in many tech blogs about launching Windows 8 for the first time and having no instruction what to do next so they stare at the screen. Yet you put a 5 year old in front of it and the first thing they'll do is either click the mouse or touch a key.
 

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