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Dear readers: How would you change or improve Windows 8?

  1. #31


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Yeah, but the video dude was flummoxed. Not knowing about F1 or winkey = not good.
    But it's not unheard of either. When I have demonstrated Windows 8 at work, to quite a number of people, many were confused once they got to the desktop or into a metro app on how to get back to the Start Screen. I found hardly anybody used the Windows key at work....but all were heading to the corner to click on where the Start button wasn't.

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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    The Personal Computer is marvel of complexity and utility. It is not a home appliance - yet. Anyone placed in front of such a device should be encouraged to make effective use of it. If 8 is too complex or confusing, then some assistance may be required. Why should MS dumb down the entire project to the lowest common denominator if that bloats the code base and slows performance?
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  3. #33


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Why should MS dumb down the entire project to the lowest common denominator if that bloats the code base and slows performance?
    I didn't say they should, but I'm not convinced that Metro or the lack of a start button or the current changes really improves it's performance.

    Time will tell how people like it. It doesn't matter one iota if I care for it or not.
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  4. #34


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    Practicality and Accessibility are too common denominators! That's why! When Vista brought in the Aero MS made a smart move by still seeing the Classic view option to be the 'go between" element that sadly lacks with 8!

    By the time 7 was out the Aero was the accepted option in Windows. With 8 however you suddenly find a totally different OS leaving most confused at first sight without any basics to cover the changes made! How do you recommend some contorted OS to a novice user who is just now deciding to move up out of XP or Vista and may not have had a chance to run 7 into a "Mystery OS"?

    Right there you are confronted by the MS hindsight when they decided to change the OS platform's user interface without any bridges to cross over to. The video accurately sums up the confusion most will be in and was quite accurately illustrated by the author as to how most will react.

    For the advanced user the changes are awkward to say the least while they will automatically explore and familiarize themselves with the changes made with any new version regardless. The average home user who reads the mail and watches YouTube they will be lost at first sight. That's the harsh reality check being thrust onto the consumer market.
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  5. #35


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    All this talk of Aero, I never noticed it. I just see square windows with data inside.
    This 8, it won't be around for long. They probably have divisions within the company that will be contracted for support. And another "future projects" design engineers group already writing concepts of 9.

    You know, I would hazard a guess that MS is not really thinking about backrubs for anyone if confused. They kinda sorta seem to have a monopoly on general purpose operating systems.
    Didn't someone at MS make 62 billion dollars last year?
    Any feature that they can remove, that does not need to be supported, will save them millions of dollars. They expect 3rd party and APP developers to "get their cut" and support what "they" sell.
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  6. #36


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    ViStart's Start8 is a good example of "Start menu for sale"! 3rd party vendors will always want a piece of the pie with any new version regardless. Codec for sale from 3rd party sources are common for W.Media Player and likely why MS decided to yank the Media Center and dvd playback support from WMP to begin with.

    The setback comes to those who simply don't buy into every 3rd party option but have been using what has already been included in Windows. Here I've often had CyberLink's PowerDVD on at times while still seeing WMP as the default audio and video playback option since it supports video capture playback as well as audio all in one program. Fortunately the capture card has it's own playback for different file types while 8 simply won't be on the list of upgrades as far as the main OS.
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  7. #37


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    Posts : 79
    Windows 8


    One thing that keeps me going back to my windows 7 installation is the lack of easy access to recent apps and documents. I'm so used to downloading a file and then opening the start menu and going to the recent items menu to open the file.
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  8. #38


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    Well the basics are this new approach by MS instead of simplying things makes life harder for most! You have to go through a good deal of otherwise unnecessary steps to get anything done!

    The addons like Classic Shell can make 8 bearable while the facts are not so pleasant for the usual tasks you have been accustomed to. Even when originally going from 3.1 and dos to 95 I never ran into a time when I found it was a more involved task just to get something done. The blog writers point back to those two when comparing the new 88 gui compared to XP, Vista, or 7.

    Win 95 simplified things by seeing Windows auto load for the first time rather then typing "win" at the dos prompt. You now had desktop shortcuts readily made for you by program installers rather then manually creating them for the exe files.

    Now compare that to going through this to get to that and then existing and going back to the desktop to do this and then bringing the Start screen back up again over and over without any 3rd party help? You're going to get tired of the constant back and forth and back and forth and either opt for addons or dump 8 entirely!

    For the 8 lovers they will look at the thrills of a new gui as well as new version while not be looking at what others see! Despite the core improvements all those get overshadowed with the frustrations many will have trying to learn how to run this one.

    Let's say that the "Bridge over Troubled Waters" simply hasn't been provided by MS when deciding to make this amount of vast changes to their main OS!
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  9. #39


    Even Samsung has introduced their own start menu for their own W8 pc's. I guess they know better tham MS what consumers want, lol.

    Samsung's S Launcher feels like an old friend in Windows 8, brings back the Start Menu :: TweakTown USA Edition
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  10. #40


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    The Personal Computer is marvel of complexity and utility. It is not a home appliance - yet. Anyone placed in front of such a device should be encouraged to make effective use of it. If 8 is too complex or confusing, then some assistance may be required. Why should MS dumb down the entire project to the lowest common denominator if that bloats the code base and slows performance?
    Wait... Are you actually saying that Metro is NOT Windows dumbed down to the lowest common denominator and bloating the code?!?!? Because it very very much IS doing both of those.

    Metro is Windows dumbed down for chimps plain and simple. Simple knuckle punching of large icons to launch single full screen similarly spare (in design and functionality) apps so as to not confuse people or animals of little computer experience. Koko the Gorilla could use Windows 8, that's how dumbed down it is...

    And if Metro were optionally completely left off of Windows 8 Professional, the codebase would be /considerably/ smaller!
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