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  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    P.S. as an example (using the VM situation) of why the one key one activation is STILL useless...

    The keys last FOREVER (and I assume the activations too). So you may be using VMWare today, activated your * install, then find the hardware acceleration is lacking, so you install Virtual Box and it works WAY better. Ooops! To bad. Activation already used up... :/
    Again, technet is for evaluation of software. You could reinstall under any of those VM software packages that you wished. Sure, you cannot activate them, but I don't see why you would need to activate handfuls of machines if you are testing.

    To me, it sounds like you were using Technet as a way to spend $200 a year and run all of your MS software for free thereafter. Not trying to sound rude, but welcome to the real world where paying for Microsoft is and can be costly. There is a reason that some of us do use and figure out how to make do with Linux and other free operating systems. For somebody like me, who does not pirate software, my choice is either to pay for it, or use something else. Quite often, I opt for something else. For my main gaming machine where I really need Windows, well, I have a paid for copy of Windows there. (Well, actutally it was free...as I got it for free from attending the Windows 7 launch event "The New Efficiency"). But prior to getting my free copy, I had purchased a copy of Vista 64bit with a free upgrade to Windows 7. My free copy did come in and is simply sitting on my shelf as I don't have any other computer that I want to use it on.

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  2. #12


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    Again, it's about convenience and not having to worry and having to reinstall constantly. Simple as that.

    Once again the pirates have made legal users of a product completely hamstrung
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  3. #13


    Covington, La
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    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    We really won't know what TechNet is offering with Windows 8. The rumors have not been confirmed as MS is not saying. Its like a kid at Christmas, wondering what we will get.
    Now if the servers don't lockup from heavy traffic we will see on Wed.

    Jim
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Once again the pirates have made legal users of a product completely hamstrung
    Yeah, it wasn't so much pirates, but cases of people who purchased Technet when it came with 10 MAK keys and they simply sold all of the MAC keys and made huge profits. For example, they bought Technet standard for $200, and then sold each of their 10 Windows 7 Ultimate keys for $200 a piece. Thus, netting $2,000 off a $200 investment. Do the same thing but charge $100 for Home Premium and there is another $1,000. And $150 for 10 professional licenses and that's another $1,500.

    This was the reason that MS originally cut back the keys substantially. They gave away WAY, WAY, WAY too much at first and as the old saying goes, "give a kid an inch and they will take a mile".

    Honestly, I prefer this new approach. Make Windows 8 cheap, thus more people will simply buy it rather than pirating it. And also, they will get the licences in a manner intended for consumers and won't have to take advantage of Technet.

    I still think a ton of people will take advantage of Technet simply for a copy of Office. And if they have an interest in being an IT guy for a living, they will have all of the server software at their disposal.
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  5. #15


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    the whole point of this is surely TechNet needs to be of some use -- and remember some updates and official Ms downloads only work if the software is actually activated.

    If you are limited to a single machine (I often try out stuff on 5 or 6 different computers) you can then surely download a normal TRIAL version from Ms anyway -- so why bother with a TechNet subscription anyway.

    Also an ENTERPRISE version of the software in any case is going to be used on widely different machines so limiting it to 1 makes NO sense whatsoever.


    As for Office -- the whole Internet has links all over the place to the KMS activator tool and its built in and well known ZWT keygen - the people who develop this type of "Software" don't need or use TechNet anyway. I'm actually amazed how Ms makes any money at all on its non Business versions of Office.

    Ms would probably make more money to increase the price of Windows by a few dollars and build Office into it in the first place.

    Cheers
    jimbo.
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    the whole point of this is surely TechNet needs to be of some use -- and remember some updates and official Ms downloads only work if the software is actually activated.
    I almost never have activated an MSDN copy of any software that I have tested on. In fact, with most servers that I roll out to our company, I install without activation and turn over to developers and such and ensure that all is well before I burn an activation key. Then I set a reminder for about 2 weeks out to ensure that the server is going to continue to be used and then I activate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    If you are limited to a single machine (I often try out stuff on 5 or 6 different computers) you can then surely download a normal TRIAL version from Ms anyway -- so why bother with a TechNet subscription anyway.
    Well, that's a good point. If the only thing you need is the OS, you could just use the trial versions of the software. With technet, you get a ton more software, so it all depends upon what you are testing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Also an ENTERPRISE version of the software in any case is going to be used on widely different machines so limiting it to 1 makes NO sense whatsoever.
    Many companies standardize on a limited number of desktops. Also, the majority of OS testing is to ensure that the software works with internal company software and processes. These don't typically change or aren't impacted in any way whether it's an HP, Dell or Model 1 or Model 2.

    Most business enterprises do not have Technet subscripts to test with anyway. We either use our Volume License software or our MSDN copies. And during all testing, they simply aren't activated.

    My company doesn't own a single subscription to Technet. But we have over 30 copies of MSDN with Visual Studio Ultimate. I think those are like $12,000 each. So, nearly $350,000 for that with renewals of nearly $4,000 a year for a yearly cost of $120,000 a year.

    I still don't see the reason that eval software would have to be activated. I think it's more the nature that a home consumer simply wants to use their Technet subscription as a cheap mechanism to license all of their own personal computers. And as I've said, that's not the purpose of Technet. Never was.
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  7. #17


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    you STILL need to activate Windows in order to download and install some stuff from Ms -- such as on W7 you need "Genuine Windows" validation before you can install MSE (Ms Security Essentials). Genuine Windows validation often requires the product to be activated to pass the test.

    So to test this scenario on different machines you DO need to activate several times -- even if on a VM you will need an activation and for some testing you do need a physical machine. Much as I like using VM's it's not always possible to do 100% testing on a VM - particularly if you are checking out Video cards etc.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    you STILL need to activate Windows in order to download and install some stuff from Ms -- such as on W7 you need "Genuine Windows" validation before you can install MSE (Ms Security Essentials). Genuine Windows validation often requires the product to be activated to pass the test.
    I'm going to test this right now, I have Windows 7 installing into a VM under VMWare Workstaiton right now. I'm almost positive that without entering a key, not activating Windows 7 that I will be able to install an run MSE without any trouble. I'll post back shortly if I can confirm or prove myself wrong.
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  9. #19


    Installed Windows 7, didn't input a key. Right click my computer, properties says I have 30 days to activate. I went to Google and searched for MSE.

    Hit the MS website and downloaded mseinstall.exe and ran the installer. It installed just fine, it's version 4.x, it's updating to the latest definition files right now, and that just finished and it's now scanning my computer for malicious items. I'd say this is working 100%, no activation required.
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  10. #20


    That's my experience exactly with MSE and Win7. I teach IT courses at the college level and we use VMs for the labs all the time. I can stand up a Win7 or Win2008 R2 VM and run it for the duration of the class without ever activating it, and I have never had an issue installing MSE or keeping it up to date. Yeah, after 30 days I may have to "rearm" activation but I also have the 180-day trial ISO of Win7 Enterprise if I don't want to deal with the short 30-day grace period from the standard Win7 install.

    Most versions of Windows server will run 60 days (with two extensions of 60 days each) without acvtivation - plenty of time for evaluation before you need to use an activation key. I was just on the Windows Server 2008 R2 site today and they have a free 180-day evaluation available.

    I'm sure after the official Win8 / WinSrv 2012 release we'll see free trial downloads for those as well (beyond the default grace period for activation). I have never seen any software (M$ or other) fail installation simply because the product wasn't yet activated (and still within the grace period).
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