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Metro Whining and Other Windows 8 Madness

  1. #11


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
    I would love it if those squawking the loudest about Metro could also offer their thoughts on other features of Windows 8 client and Windows Server 2012: such as QoS management, ReFS and Storage Spaces, Windows To Go…..or are they too stuck on a start screen?
    Well said.

    Jim
    Hi there

    If only it were that simple.

    The mega problem is that a lot of people STILL use computers as Computers and not as a tablet or smartphone where all people have to do is read emails, surf the internet or watch a video or two - probably from YouTube

    Fine if this is what you want -- but loads of us need computers to do REAL work - often using multiple monitors -- this makes the whole Metro concept totally NONSENSE.

    I don't have too many issues with the lack of the start menu -- but to get applications in a convenient way to launch them is just ridiculous -- I don't need or WANT to scroll rightwards about 2 Olympic Marathon amounts (2 * 42 km) to find my application on those little hideous tiles.

    Just try installing the whole Adobe CS5.5 package on your computer -- this must create about 15 - 25 tiles !!!!..

    Hi E.T --anybody out there -- listening.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
    I would love it if those squawking the loudest about Metro could also offer their thoughts on other features of Windows 8 client and Windows Server 2012: such as QoS management, ReFS and Storage Spaces, Windows To Go…..or are they too stuck on a start screen?
    Well said.

    Jim
    This is ridiculous. How many Metro squawkers are setting up servers? I don't even know what ReFS means. I'm gonna go look it up, hold on...

    This is what MS says it is:

    Windows customers want a cost-effective platform that maximizes data availability, scales efficiently to very large data sets across diverse workloads, and guarantees data integrity via resiliency to corruption (regardless of software or hardware failures). ReFS is a new file system that targets these customer needs while providing a foundation for significant future innovations. By utilizing an integrated storage stack comprising ReFS and the new Storage Spaces feature in Windows Server 2012, customers can now deploy the most cost-effective platform for available and scalable data access using commodity storage.
    Oh OK, yeah. Clear as a bell now. I'll email my mom this paragraph so she'll get a heads-up before 8 hits the shelves. Way down the page someone who understands normal English described it better in one sentence: "ReFS stores data in a way that protects it from many of the common errors that can normally cause data loss."

    Wonderful. I'm all for that. Now what do we do about all those stupid @#$%! colored boxes? The author totally ignores this (and every other Metro criticism) and can't even answer her own hypothesis: "Here's why I think a lot of the Metro criticism is just hysteria." She gives three alleged reasons why.

    1.) Metro is not designed for the desktop - Yeah, OK. Still missing the point, and tell that to the nearly 2 billion desktop users around the world. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict most of them are going to assume that this newest iteration of Windows is for them since every past iteration of Windows has been for them.

    2.) The enterprise is not going to Windows 8 anytime soon - Gee, I wonder why? Maybe it has something to do with your first reason? Regardless, this doesn't explain why people don't like Metro but, in a way, it reinforces why they don't.

    3.) Windows 8 gives unprecedented customization and an incredible easy way to open apps and utilities - Ah, yes. Well the squawkers don't agree with you. That's why they're squawking. "Unprecedented customization" is just BS, pure and simple. If you actually listened to the squawkers instead of ridicule them, you would get this. But you don't and you don't.

    Yet another who thinks anyone who doesn't think like they do is an idiot.
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  3. #13


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    Your Turn


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
    I would love it if those squawking the loudest about Metro could also offer their thoughts on other features of Windows 8 client and Windows Server 2012: such as QoS management, ReFS and Storage Spaces, Windows To Go…..or are they too stuck on a start screen?
    Well said.

    Jim
    Agree on that, Jim...............Well, Guys and Gals?
    Point out comments where people have complained about actual improvements:

    • RAM usage
    • Speed
    • QoS management
    • ReFS
    • Storage Spaces
    • Windows To Go
    • etc.


    In fact a lot have people have said, "If they had just added the actual windows improvements to W7, W8 would be a no-brainer purchase/upgrade."

    IT Administrators would be running to Management screaming, "We must have this."
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Point out comments where people have complained about actual improvements:

    • RAM usage
    • Speed
    • QoS management
    • ReFS
    • Storage Spaces
    • Windows To Go
    • etc.
    RAM usage. I guess it's a bit lower in Windows 8, but with 4GB or more or RAM in Windows 7, it's not like I was really running out. And running on 5% less RAM with Windows 8 is not likely going to make it or break it.

    Speed. Not seeing much difference, like I said before, I run with an 80GB SSD for my OS, I turn off hibernate to save disk space. The Hybrid boot is lost on me. No tangible gains.

    Storage Space. In theory I like the concept. but I'm leary that if my OS were to crash, would I be able to take my 2-3-4 drive collection, plug it into another machine and be able to mount it, and get access to my data. This is something I actually plan to test soon with a VM.

    Windows To Go: Enterprise only, not useful for the consumer.
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  5. #15


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    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    Speed. Not seeing much difference, like I said before, I run with an 80GB SSD for my OS, I turn off hibernate to save disk space. The Hybrid boot is lost on me. No tangible gains.
    I read somewhere the other day (don't remember where) that Hybrid boot uses the hibernate function to store the boot information in the hiberfil.sys file so that may be why you show no gains.

    Jim
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    ^ I know, that's why I said that Hybrid boot is lost on me, as I turn off hibernate, so no tangible gains for me.
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  7. #17


    Covington, La
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    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ I know, that's why I said that Hybrid boot is lost on me, as I turn off hibernate, so no tangible gains for me.
    I assumed you may have known that already, but mentioned it just in case. I rather have too much information than not enough. I don't have a SSD (yet) so I have seen an improvement in Windows 8 boot over my Windows 7.

    Jim
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  8. #18


    Yeah, I'm testing Windows 8 on a desktop and laptop, neither of which have an SSD. Windows 8 is a big faster, but certainly not something that blows me away faster.
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  9. #19


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM

    Metro whiners ... I don't think so.



    A month ago, I built a new rig with Win7 Ult retail. I was offered Win8 Upgrade free. I said no. Why would I pollute a good OS with a hybrid smartfone/tablet/pseudo desktop OS?

    And why would anyone pay $39 for an upgrade to get features they don't want and will never use? It's like paying the extra money for a multi-function pocket knife when all you ever use is a straight blade.

    Win7 Ult Retail still costs $429 in Aussie. So what are you getting for $69 with Win8 pro? You're simply adding a smartfone/tablet GUI and losing the traditional start menu and direct boot to desktop ... with a few improvements to the functionality of Window OS.

    THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE ACTUAL OS IN WIN8 ARE WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OFFERED AS A FREE SP2 TO WIN7!!!

    With throwaway prices for Win8 upgrades, and in my case a freebie, Win8 is simply a promotional push by Microsoft into the smartfone/tablet market; with a pseudo desktop GUI thrown in as an after thought to appease the army of traditional desktop users of Windows.

    It's not a case of being able to do everything on Win8 that you can on Win7. The question is: Why bother when you've already got it all in Win7? And with a SATA3 SSD HD, 12GB RAM, and decent mobo/CPU ... Win 7 flies.

    If you like a tile format start menu, go for it. But don't accuse others of whining because they prefer: An alpha numeric start menu, occupying minimal space on the desktop, with the desktop visible when you open multiple programs; and a direct boot to desktop. And not having to pay the M$ research costs for adding a smartfone/tablet GUI you'll never use; and their promotional advertising costs to push into the smartfone/tablet market; for what should have been a free SP2 to Win7.
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  10. #20


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Observations are not complaints


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Point out comments where people have complained about actual improvements:

    • RAM usage
    • Speed
    • QoS management
    • ReFS
    • Storage Spaces
    • Windows To Go
    • etc.
    RAM usage. I guess it's a bit lower in Windows 8, but with 4GB or more or RAM in Windows 7, it's not like I was really running out. And running on 5% less RAM with Windows 8 is not likely going to make it or break it.
    On my PC the difference is ~33% (~400MB).
    That's equivalent to another Firefox instance or another Linux VM.

    You're not complaining about it, even though its a change.

    Metro fans claim that people are only complaining because things have changed (not the quality of the changes).
    It's the only argument they can mount in defence of it, in the face of massive criticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Speed. Not seeing much difference, like I said before, I run with an 80GB SSD for my OS, I turn off hibernate to save disk space. The Hybrid boot is lost on me. No tangible gains.
    The improved Boot speed doesn't impress me, but I'm not complaining about it.

    I meant that comparing W7 to W8, isn't like comparing XP to Vista (i.e. there is no noticeable improvement or degradation in operating speed).

    You're not complaining about it, even though its a change.

    Metro fans claim that people are only complaining because things have changed (not the quality of the changes).

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Storage Space. In theory I like the concept. but I'm leary that if my OS were to crash, would I be able to take my 2-3-4 drive collection, plug it into another machine and be able to mount it, and get access to my data. This is something I actually plan to test soon with a VM.

    Windows To Go: Enterprise only, not useful for the consumer.
    I'm not likely to use those features either, but I'm not complaining about MS deciding to include them.

    You're not complaining about it, even though its a change.

    Metro fans claim that people are only complaining because things have changed (not the quality of the changes).
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