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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late

  1. #171


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    Windows 8 pre-release


    What can the average Windows 8 user do to influence the future of the Apple or Windows operating systems? Sure, Linux users can submit applications and contribute intellectually, but Windows users have a "Release Preview" edition that is pretty much set in stone as to the final product.

    I've got to say, I feel a little trapped sometimes with all the "Good CEO/ bad business, bad CEO/great business" stuff.

    Steve Ballmer is richer than I am and probably has a nice car and a really nice home. Sometimes when I'm soaking electronic parts in a factory, and he is waving his arms and kicking footballs across a stage on TV, I really start to wonder about my choices. I guess that is why I seem to be a fan-boy all the time. But I'm not.

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  2. #172


    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    I have no clue how 8 will do in the marketplace, but I cannot imagine it will match the success of 7. There was broad-based excitement before the release of 7. That's not happening with 8. Yes, there are lots of people looking forward to 8. I do not deny that. But you didn't see these kinds of stories on the eve of 7's release:
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    Well, consider that Windows 7 was the successor to Windows Vista...which wasn't well received by many. Windows 8 is the successor to Windows 7 which worked extremely well for many people.
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  3. #173


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    Black Label 7x64


    True, pparks1 - and I had written another paragraph about that and then cut it out because I thought I was blabbing on too much. Also, I don't want to sound like I'm jumping down rich's throat, I hope he doesn't take it that way.

    If 8 ends up being another Vista, that will be 2 of 3 OS duds under Ballmer's full control. Although with 7, MS already had a huge chunk of it laid out in Vista. Everyone kept saying back then - this is what Vista should have been. When it comes to creating an OS out of whole cloth, Ballmer does not have the magic.

    If 9 ends up being what 8 should have been, great, I'll buy it. But that sort of pattern will eventually end up hurting the company over the long run.
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  4. #174


    Obviously Balmer is on top because he knows something about business. I think Billy must trust him, otherwise, I think, he wouldn't be in the position. He may even not know what an OS is. I'm serious. He's nothing but the top manager making sure the right people for a job are in the correct place. That's all a manager is.

    There is a corporate board that Ballmer has to answer to also. There are many "heads" deciding all this, so one cannot pin it on an individual, although Ballmer is ultimately responsible.

    When it comes to his statement about iApple, I think he's just quoting Gates. I remember reading that Linda Gates kicked Billy under a dinner table once after he made a statement that he had more power than the president of the U.S. Is that ego or what?!! I think he doesn't like taking 2nd place to iPad, which I believe is what they're targeting with 8 and the Surface. I think they know that Enterprise is being taken care of with 7, which is probably the best damn OS to date.

    I think it's best to believe that although Billy may be semi-retired, I'm pretty sure he keeps his eye on things. I believe that ultimately a M$ product doesn't get released unless Gates approves it. I can see him carrying several lappys with him as him and his wife do their many travels.

    Also, they're getting into the app retail and hardware businesses during this transition, which are big steps.
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  5. #175


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Simply put it's all about marketing, and the market aimed at is smarfones/tablets with an overlay of apps to sell. It's no way aimed primarily at the traditional desktop user.

    As I've said before, why aren't all the improvements in the actual OS of Win8 being offered as SP2 for Win7?


    The only way to get them is to buy Win8 upgrade, and that's paying for the development/marketing costs of Metro innovation ... or whatever it's called now.

    Ask Sears, Cisco, GE and Walmart re Ballmer's abilities as a CEO. Seems he has a propensity to wreck companies while personally growing richer!

    This is a related post from VF Daily here.

    Analyzing one of American corporate history’s greatest mysteries—the lost decade of Microsoft—two-time George Polk Award winner (and V.F.’s newest contributing editor) Kurt Eichenwald traces the “astonishingly foolish management decisions” at the company that “could serve as a business-school case study on the pitfalls of success.”
    The irony is traditional desktop users want Win8 to succeed, but in a format option specifically for desktop users. Give us that and Ballmer's suddenly a hero!
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  6. #176


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    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Why do I get the feeling that everyone in this thread doesn't trust Steve Ballmer, as if he's acting in the best interest of Apple Computers, and NOT Windows computers?
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  7. #177


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Why do I get the feeling that everyone in this thread doesn't trust Steve Ballmer, as if he's acting in the best interest of Apple Computers, and NOT Windows computers?
    He just has an insane case of Apple envy. Hopefully that'll pass with time
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  8. #178


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Simply put it's all about marketing, and the market aimed at is smarfones/tablets with an overlay of apps to sell. It's no way aimed primarily at the traditional desktop user.

    As I've said before, why aren't all the improvements in the actual OS of Win8 being offered as SP2 for Win7?


    The only way to get them is to buy Win8 upgrade, and that's paying for the development/marketing costs of Metro innovation ... or whatever it's called now.

    Ask Sears, Cisco, GE and Walmart re Ballmer's abilities as a CEO. Seems he has a propensity to wreck companies while personally growing richer!

    This is a related post from VF Daily here.

    Analyzing one of American corporate history’s greatest mysteries—the lost decade of Microsoft—two-time George Polk Award winner (and V.F.’s newest contributing editor) Kurt Eichenwald traces the “astonishingly foolish management decisions” at the company that “could serve as a business-school case study on the pitfalls of success.”
    The irony is traditional desktop users want Win8 to succeed, but in a format option specifically for desktop users. Give us that and Ballmer's suddenly a hero!
    I think this VF article, which has no author name tagged to it, and quoting this Kurt Eichenwald guy is absolutely ludicrous!

    #1. Ballmer is not responsible for any corporation's downfall, since he was M$'s 30th employee, hired as a business manager, who worked up through the ranks. He made his money via stock options that Gates and Allen offered to all employees for incentive. A ploy which a lot of companies didn't offer. Gates and Allen made more millionaires than anyone on the planet. Drive around Redmond for a few hours and see the sights. Some sections make Beverly Hills look like a ghetto.

    #2. To quote Wikipedia:

    As CEO, Ballmer handled company finances, however Gates still retained control of the "technological vision". He served as President of Microsoft from July 1998 to February 2001, having previously served as Executive Vice President, Sales and Support since February 1992. Ballmer led Microsoft's development of the .NET Framework.
    Steve Ballmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Obviously Bill Gates is the one who calls the shots on software as I stated in my previous post.

    #3. "Silent decade" my rear! Now since we know who calls the shots, It's Gates that presented all the software. I'll agree he made mistakes along the way as the article points out, but in that decade there was XP through 7.

    #4. Although one can install 8 on a PC, it is not intended for a PC. 8 and the Surface are aimed to compete with the iPad, where M$ is lagging. I predict that the pad will be the most used device on the planet. It may even replace the smart phone via Bluetooth. M$ knows that Enterprise will ride out 7 or previous for the time being.
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  9. #179


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Steve Ballmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Obviously Bill Gates is the one who calls the shots on software as I stated in my previous post.
    This is a direct quote from the Wikipedia link you provided:

    In a May 2012 column in Forbes magazine, Adam Hartung described Ballmer as "the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company", saying he had "steered Microsoft out of some of the fastest growing and most lucrative tech markets (mobile music, handsets and tablets)".

    This line of criticism is continued in depth by Kurt Eichenwald in July 2012.
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I think this VF article, which has no author name tagged to it, and quoting this Kurt Eichenwald guy is absolutely ludicrous!
    If you read my post again, the article is by VF Daily and Kurt Eichenwald is the new sub-editor of VF Daily.

    Also it doesn't stop there. There are many other similar blogs and quotes re Ballmer. And I'm in agreeance with the attitudes expressed in those blogs.
    Last edited by Mustang; 13 Aug 2012 at 11:10.
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  10. #180


    Let's not get carried away thinking all is perfect in Apple-land. How many new iPhones have come out just since Windows 7, and what percentage of Applue users feel the need to run out and be one of the first to get the newest model i-whatever?

    An iPad owner told me last week that he likes his iPad but it's terrible for composing documents. A TV consumer reporter said that people buy iPads and then start spending more money downloading music and other online content because of the built-in links to iTunes and Amazon.

    In the long run the success or failure of Windows 8 will be determined by consumers. Perhaps M$ hopes to make up in tablet sales what they'll likely miss in acceptance of Win8 by traditional PC users. Only time will tell.
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