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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late

This is a tough challenge, given that Windows 8 is only a few months away from release. There's not a lot that Microsoft can do in this time. However, given that the Redmond giant has already gone on the record to say that the UI that we see in the Windows 8 Release Preview is not what will be in the final release, it's safe to say that things are in a certain state of flux.

As I've said on numerous occasions, the biggest problem with Windows 8 is the way that the dumbed-down Metro UI has been unceremoniously bolted onto the mature and well-refined "Classic" user interface. While there's no doubt that the existing UI is flawed, bolting on a UI designed for touch devices is not the answer.

OK, you asked me to keep this concise, so here it is. Here's how I think Microsoft should tweak Windows 8 before it's released:

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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late | ZDNet
 

SIW2

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I can't disagree with that - it is exactly what I have been saying all this time.

Unless they do an about turn on start menu and making the desktop the main focus for those who want it - they will be in trouble.
 

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Sigh...

The article writer is generally right and only touches on a few of probably 50 or more problems. But since the RTM is only a week or two away, whatever it looks like right now (at MS, not in the RP) is set in stone.

Chance of anything being fixed 0. They were busy removing the color, subtlty, gadgets and who knows what else from the desktop these last few weeks.

I am hoping for an early technet release so I can 'Preview" the final thing though. Good news or bad, I'd rather get it over with sooner rather than all the way out to the end of October!
 

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Lionell

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Windows 8 (aka Vista 2.0): no way! Not even on a touch device. I will move to Apple before I will do that.

They will have to take Windows 7 and a functional desktop/laptop computer out of my cold dead hands.
 

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Thanks Brink, that article pretty much sums up my feelings on Windows 8. It's destined for some and likely will be shunned by many.
 

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Soundtweaker

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Won't be shunned here. I plan on getting a W8 tablet, touchscreen laptop and build a new PC the week it comes out.
The performance advantages alone for pro audio and video are big enough to take the leap.
 

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Actually, Windows 7 was vista 2.0! :p
 

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Actually, Windows 7 was vista 2.0! :p

Actually, it wasn't. It was and is Windows 7. Vista 2.0 really does not exist. It was a metaphor for a failure by design.

Windows 8 is a forced blending of incompatible elements such that both the touch and mouse/keyboard interface is broken and incomplete. It is especially so for the people who actually use their computers to do work rather than simply consume content produced by others. If all you want to do one thing at at time and run apps, tweet, email or brows the web, Metro is sort of OK. However, if you want to be productive, use more than one window at a time, and produce complex content then you must constantly fight having to go through the butt. ugly, totally useless, and unnecessary Metro screen.

It would have been trivially easy for Microsoft to have done it right. One way would have been to have a touch centric OS and a mouse/keyboard centric OS (ie. Windows 7). The other way would be to provide the user with a choice of touch or mouse/keyboard centric operation. As it is, the people they are relying on to provide content are constantly having to switch contexts between two incompatible universes to get much of anything done. Each context switch will result in a significant fraction of an hour of lost productivity because of focus being broken. Staying in "the zone" is very important.

I have 70 applications that I must use to service the various tasks I must perform to develop content: software, websites, documentation and the like as well as remote technical support and system and software diagnostics. Try pinning that many icons on the task bar and the task bar would be useless. Then there are many more applications that I must use infrequently. You see, I have real work to accomplish and I need to do it MY WAY and not the way some brain dead manager at Microsoft insists I must do it. Personally, I couldn't care less about what Microsoft managers want. They can go suck rocks for all I care.

I understand that Microsoft doesn't give a damn about the people who must do real work. They are interested only in finding a way to build a new cash cow by having a totally captive audience brainlessly buying apps from THEIR app store. They also want have a way to push paid for advertizing out to that "customer" base and they think Metro is it. That is their choice. They are so focused on creating that cash cow that it is clear that they haven't thought about where all those apps will come from. They are building a cash cow that won't give cash without the apps.

I don't have to like it but I must somehow find a way to live with it or stop working and stop being productive. For now, that means shunning Windows 8 and staying with Windows 7 for as long as possible.
 

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:ditto:
 

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:ditto:
 

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Actually, Windows 7 was vista 2.0! :p

Actually, it wasn't. It was and is Windows 7. Vista 2.0 really does not exist. It was a metaphor for a failure by design.

Windows 8 is a forced blending of incompatible elements such that both the touch and mouse/keyboard interface is broken and incomplete. It is especially so for the people who actually use their computers to do work rather than simply consume content produced by others. If all you want to do one thing at at time and run apps, tweet, email or brows the web, Metro is sort of OK. However, if you want to be productive, use more than one window at a time, and produce complex content then you must constantly fight having to go through the butt. ugly, totally useless, and unnecessary Metro screen.

It would have been trivially easy for Microsoft to have done it right. One way would have been to have a touch centric OS and a mouse/keyboard centric OS (ie. Windows 7). The other way would be to provide the user with a choice of touch or mouse/keyboard centric operation. As it is, the people they are relying on to provide content are constantly having to switch contexts between two incompatible universes to get much of anything done. Each context switch will result in a significant fraction of an hour of lost productivity because of focus being broken. Staying in "the zone" is very important.

I have 70 applications that I must use to service the various tasks I must perform to develop content: software, websites, documentation and the like as well as remote technical support and system and software diagnostics. Try pinning that many icons on the task bar and the task bar would be useless. Then there are many more applications that I must use infrequently. You see, I have real work to accomplish and I need to do it MY WAY and not the way some brain dead manager at Microsoft insists I must do it. Personally, I couldn't care less about what Microsoft managers want. They can go suck rocks for all I care.

I understand that Microsoft doesn't give a damn about the people who must do real work. They are interested only in finding a way to build a new cash cow by having a totally captive audience brainlessly buying apps from THEIR app store. They also want have a way to push paid for advertizing out to that "customer" base and they think Metro is it. That is their choice. They are so focused on creating that cash cow that it is clear that they haven't thought about where all those apps will come from. They are building a cash cow that won't give cash without the apps.

I don't have to like it but I must somehow find a way to live with it or stop working and stop being productive. For now, that means shunning Windows 8 and staying with Windows 7 for as long as possible.

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considering that still nearly 50% of computers are STILL RUNNING XP I don't think you'll have any problems running W7 for as long as you want to.

I quite like some of the features of Win8 but LOATHE with a passion the whole "Metro Idea" and the "App store" concept.

Call ne an old Dinosaur if you like --but I don't care -- to me a PC is a COMPUTER -- not a tablet or a smart phone.

Cheers
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No start menu in RTM?

Then just wait for SP1.

Now, how many times have I posted this so far...:roflmao:
 

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The thing is, is that Microsoft is changing the way we use our computers, and this is a good thing. Since Windows 95 came out, this way we've been using has gotten stale. Metro will breath new life into our computing lives.
 

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No start menu in RTM? Then just wait for SP1. Now, how many times have I posted this so far...:roflmao:
Not very good advice. If everyone sits quietly waiting for Microsoft to realize the error of their ways all on their own, nothing will be fixed in SP1.

I'm a FanBoy, but I've always agreed that there should be a choice of UI upon installation or upon boot. If at RTM this is left out, I think there will be such a backlash from Pros, PUs, and enterprise that they will be forced at SP1 to allow the choice. It will be such the like of Coca Cola changing their formula in 1985. The backlash of the public and the drop in sales convinced them to change it back and offer the other formula as Coke II if I remember correctly. Therefore they gave the consumer the choice.

I've read posts where people will buy a copy at $40 for being so reasonably priced and shove it their drawer just to have a copy. Why? That would give M$ the wrong message. One would bolster their product via sales. If I don't like a product, I simply don't buy it. If there is good advise to be handed out, I would say not to buy it.
 

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I actually think windows 8 may be successful.
Think about the amount of XP users forcing to upgrade their computer within 2 years. They'll choose windows 8 since it's a cheaper upgrade($40). It sounds like it's cheaper to upgrade to Win8 then Win7. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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I actually think windows 8 may be successful.
Think about the amount of XP users forcing to upgrade their computer within 2 years. They'll choose windows 8 since it's a cheaper upgrade($40). It sounds like it's cheaper to upgrade to Win8 then Win7. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The $40 price is only available til January. Then Microsoft will charge whatever they want to charge for it. No pricing scheme is out yet to my knowledge.

Snarks:cool:
 

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Windows 8 (aka Vista 2.0): no way! Not even on a touch device. I will move to Apple before I will do that.

They will have to take Windows 7 and a functional desktop/laptop computer out of my cold dead hands.

well for me, they may do that.

Love Win8, Metro could be better, but I cannot understand anyone loving Win7.

It is like the XP users, cannot understand that either, but I never used XP, so hard to judge

Anyway, Coke is right, Win7 WAS Vista2 and an improvement, but Win8 is better, hands down

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Mike Lonewolf

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Windows 8 (aka Vista 2.0): no way! Not even on a touch device. I will move to Apple before I will do that
They will have to take Windows 7 and a functional desktop/laptop computer out of my cold dead hands.
well for me, they may do that.
Love Win8, Metro could be better, but I cannot understand anyone loving Win7.
It is like the XP users, cannot understand that either, but I never used XP, so hard to judge
Anyway, Coke is right, Win7 WAS Vista2 and an improvement, but Win8 is better, hands down
Jeff

Well Jeff I had used Windows XP, worse POS since Windows 98SE. I can't understand how people LIKED it, it was so INSECURE. and you could count on re-installing it atleast twice weekly. Do a web search on Windows XP gets infected again, you'll get in the hundred of thousands of hits with any search engine. I was for one happy to upgrade to Vista getting away from WinXP was a happy day for me.
 

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