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Windows 8: The end of the full retail version?

  1. #31


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    it has your user name at the top of the menu --click that for a list of your folders / pictures etc etc. It also has separate entries for Pictures etc under Documents which gives my pictures etc etc.

    I don't bother with that level of detail -- I usually store my data in folders NOT on the "C" drive in any case -- if I re-install the OS then I don't have to re-install the User data on the C drive.

    For me the menu functionality works just like I've always used it.

    If you are using features that a typical user doesn't normally access then I can't say whether the functionality will be sufficient for your needs but from what I've seen it replicates pretty well all the stuff most windows users who want the start menu back will be quite satisfied with.

    You can access COMPUTER under ===>programs==>windows system.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #32


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    An update for you, Jimbo, I took your advice from earlier, and downloaded the latest Classic Shell.

    Just installed it, set it up and ran a few tests. Worked just fine.

    The version I had was several updates old, so the changes were noticeable.

    I'm quite happy, now....:-)

    Thanks, Jimbo, and thanks to all concerned with creating Classic Shell.

    Well done!
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  3. #33


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Thanks Jimbo,

    I have since installed the latest Classic Shell. And overall it's very good. It has almost all the functionality of Win7 Start Menu, with the small exception of not showing apps pinned to start menu in the panel just above the orb ... but they are there as icons when you go up to programs. And AppData is available when you click on user name, including the same list of Documents, Favorites, etc. Shut down option menu is a bit antiquated ... almost reminiscent of XP, but still quite adequate.

    Also good to have a more or less direct boot to desktop ... a second or two display of Metro and then straight through to desktop. To be honest I don't really understand why so much fuss is made of boot up time. I don't even know how fast or slow mine is. I just press the power button and go and make a coffee and it's up and running when I come back. So I dont' even see Metro.

    Also when setting up I declined to register with Microsoft by choosing the local account option; and ditto declined all cloud options or feedback to MS ... and no password ... so no options to choose after powering up.

    Win8 is looking a lot more inviting after Classic Shell. Wonder if they would ever do an exact copy of Win7 Start Menu?

    I have had a couple of glitches. While installing the chipset drivers, my video card failed temporarily, but not since. Also, for some reason it's not detecting one of the USB ports when I put a USB stick in it. I've got Win8 on the same PC, but on a separate HD and have no problems with that port in Win7.

    Also there's no linked boot between the two OSs. By default it always boots into Win8 first, even if I set the BIOS to boot to the other HD with Win7 on it at previous start up. This is not a big deal, as the HD with Win8 on it can be hot plugged into an external SATA port, so if I don't want to boot to Win8 I just leave it out oif the external caddy on power up.

    The way I set my PC up is to have all my frequently used apps and external USB HD and storage partitions as short cut icons on the desk top and the rest are in the start menu. I never pin anything to the bottom task bar. And that works for me.

    The hardest part was finding how to set up all the icons. I had to google to find out you could right click a blank space in the desktop and personalize to choose to show Computer and Control Panel shortcuts on the desktop.

    Thanks for all your help. Mustang ... my favortie WWII plane. Like the young guy said in the movie "Empire of the Sun" ... Cadillac of the sky!
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  4. #34


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    EasyBCD?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Also there's no linked boot between the two OSs. By default it always boots into Win8 first, even if I set the BIOS to boot to the other HD with Win7 on it at previous start up. This is not a big deal, as the HD with Win8 on it can be hot plugged into an external SATA port, so if I don't want to boot to Win8 I just leave it out oif the external caddy on power up.
    You could try viewing/editing your boot info using EasyBCD (or if you are really game, the Command Prompt).

    Remember to create a backup HDD image of your system, before editing the boot info.
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  5. #35


    Posts : 38
    Windows 7


    Hi all,

    Is there any official confirmation from Microsoft about the retail version non-availability for Windows 8? I am really very sad and I feel a lot of anxiety. Please inform if you have any news. I think I would have to take anti-depressants now!
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  6. #36


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Talk to my contact person a few days ago over at Microsoft. They are being tight-lipped about it. BUT going by a consumer's point of view, I seriously doubt that this would happen. The retail chain is their bread and butter for end-users. Say for example that a percentage uses the upgrade option to order it online, seriously HOW many would OP for it? I know when I purchase something I want that something in my hands, as well as not giving out my credit card information online for anyone to snatch up (Security software can protect you so much). BUT I ask my Mr Merlin, and he says all signs point to retail versions being available.
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  7. #37


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Talk to my contact person a few days ago over at Microsoft. They are being tight-lipped about it. BUT going by a consumer's point of view, I seriously doubt that this would happen. The retail chain is their bread and butter for end-users. Say for example that a percentage uses the upgrade option to order it online, seriously HOW many would OP for it? I know when I purchase something I want that something in my hands, as well as not giving out my credit card information online for anyone to snatch up (Security software can protect you so much). BUT I ask my Mr Merlin, and he says all signs point to retail versions being available.
    I'm very much of the same mind as yourself, not only from the security point of view, but I always buy retail versions so no drama if my machine carks it, or I want a new rig.

    Even so, if a retail version does come out for Win8, it's still a bit of a catch 22 situation becos I'm not sure yet if I'd be prepared to spend retail prices for Win8. An upgrade at $40 sounds about right for what I'd be prepared to spend at this stage, but apart from the security, my experiences with upgrades in past versions of Windows were not good.
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  8. #38


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Also there's no linked boot between the two OSs. By default it always boots into Win8 first, even if I set the BIOS to boot to the other HD with Win7 on it at previous start up. This is not a big deal, as the HD with Win8 on it can be hot plugged into an external SATA port, so if I don't want to boot to Win8 I just leave it out oif the external caddy on power up.
    You could try viewing/editing your boot info using EasyBCD (or if you are really game, the Command Prompt).

    Remember to create a backup HDD image of your system, before editing the boot info.
    Thanks for the input. As mentioned in a previous post, when I first installed Win8 I had both HDs in the machine, and Win8 created a linked boot. However I kept getting BSODs, and "weird things" happening in Win7, which I can only assume were due to some incompatibility issue or corruption. Also when I uninstalled Win8 I lost the boot to Win7 and couldn't get it back using the Win7 installation disk repair boot option. I had to reload Win7 in the end. Which is why I unplugged the Win7 HD when installing Win8 on a separate HD, so I wouldn't get a dual boot.

    I'm a bit gun shy re trying EasyBCD. I had used it in the past with Vista and Win7 and it worked well. And prior to EasyBCD I had tried using the command prompt by following directions from Microsoft KB articles, but only achieved a very limited degree of success and a very large degree of FUBAHs. One day if I'm feeling really adventurous, mabye! And it's a pretty big maybe! Cheers
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  9. #39


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    This JUST struck my memory. I seem to remember back in the days of Win 9.x Microsoft was having problems with pirating of their O/S, and Office products. IF this is going to be done by getting a image off the internet, and not a secured disc with holographic encoding, WHAT'S to STOP the Pirating all over again?
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  10. #40


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    This JUST struck my memory. I seem to remember back in the days of Win 9.x Microsoft was having problems with pirating of their O/S, and Office products. IF this is going to be done by getting a image off the internet, and not a secured disc with holographic encoding, WHAT'S to STOP the Pirating all over again?
    It was a lot easier with Win98 and 98 2nd ed because there was no activation required back in those years. Correct me if I'm wrong but activation came in with XP?

    Even so it's very hard to stop. However, I wouldn't be interested in pirate copies even if I could get them because who knows what the hackers might have added into the OS files? With a sealed package hard copy you know it's secure and not corrupted. Only way to go.
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