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Five reasons I'd rather run Windows 8 than Linux

  1. #141


    New Zealand
    Posts : 91
    Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1


    Here is some boot times for virtual box machines. I moved them last week from a Western Digital Black to a SSD.
    WD 2TB Black SSD
    Start win 8.11 38.81 21.07
    Mint 16 26.52 13.31
    Mint Debian 42.92 22.4
    Win 2000 46.37 40.6

    Mint Debian is a bit slower to boot, but there is a boot menu choice that lasts for a few seconds.

    Mint feels a lot more responsive under virtual box. HD video playback is smooth under Mint. Very choppy and unwatchable under Win 8.11

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  2. #142


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Can I assume that this is an internal SSD and not one attached externally ?
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  3. #143


    New Zealand
    Posts : 91
    Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1


    Yes both of the hard drives are internal. The SSD is a Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB attached to a SATA3 port. The Western Digital is attached to SATA2.

    The virtual box settings are not quite even though. All have 4 GB of RAM, but Mint uses only 2 processors and 128 MB of video RAM.

    Win 8.11 has 4 processors and 256 MB of video RAM
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  4. #144


    Quote Originally Posted by McRuff View Post
    Here is some boot times for virtual box machines. I moved them last week from a Western Digital Black to a SSD.
    WD 2TB Black SSD
    Start win 8.11 38.81 21.07
    Mint 16 26.52 13.31
    Mint Debian 42.92 22.4
    Win 2000 46.37 40.6

    Mint Debian is a bit slower to boot, but there is a boot menu choice that lasts for a few seconds.

    Mint feels a lot more responsive under virtual box. HD video playback is smooth under Mint. Very choppy and unwatchable under Win 8.11
    Nice to have these benchmarks... thanx
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  5. #145


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    These are the boot times of 8.1 from an external SSD on eSata. All numbers in Milliseconds as shown in Event Viewer - Event 100. Overall time is 32 seconds and then the breakdown.

    BootTime 32188
    MainPathBootTime 11288
    BootKernelInitTime 16
    BootDriverInitTime 265
    BootDevicesInitTime 3956
    BootSmssInitTime 1755
    BootCriticalServicesInitTime 562
    BootUserProfileProcessingTime 623
    BootMachineProfileProcessingTime 219
    BootExplorerInitTime 1482
    BootNumStartupApps 2
    BootPostBootTime 20900
    OSLoaderDuration 772
    BootPNPInitStartTimeMS 16
    BootPNPInitDuration 4210
    OtherKernelInitDuration 200
    SystemPNPInitStartTimeMS 4397
    SystemPNPInitDuration 199
    SessionInitStartTimeMS 4610
    Session0InitDuration 444
    Session1InitDuration 72
    SessionInitOtherDuration 1238
    WinLogonStartTimeMS 6365
    OtherLogonInitActivityDuration 2597
    UserLogonWaitDuration 302
    Enabled autologon, these are the boot times for the SSD on SATA 3 port; overall time is 24 seconds:

    BootTime 25497
    MainPathBootTime 7397
    BootKernelInitTime 15
    BootDriverInitTime 113
    BootDevicesInitTime 3624
    BootSmssInitTime 1337
    BootCriticalServicesInitTime 95
    BootUserProfileProcessingTime 105
    BootMachineProfileProcessingTime 173
    BootExplorerInitTime 817
    BootNumStartupApps 4
    BootPostBootTime 18100
    OSLoaderDuration 397
    BootPNPInitStartTimeMS 15
    BootPNPInitDuration 3878
    OtherKernelInitDuration 401
    SystemPNPInitStartTimeMS 4274
    SystemPNPInitDuration 78
    SessionInitStartTimeMS 4358
    Session0InitDuration 624
    Session1InitDuration 68
    SessionInitOtherDuration 644
    WinLogonStartTimeMS 5695
    OtherLogonInitActivityDuration 605
    UserLogonWaitDuration 224

    There's about 6-7 seconds difference in boot time, between SSD on eSATA and SATA 3 ports. Provided that the SSD is SATA 3, then maybe your system's external port is eSATA 2, instead of the eSATA 3. That would explain the boot time difference to me...
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  6. #146


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    Interesting. But I really don't know on which bus the eSata port is attached.
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  7. #147


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Interesting. But I really don't know on which bus the eSata port is attached.
    Check your manual, my MB has SATA3 ports, SATA2 and eSATA for both of them in addition to Marvel controller chip for the rest of I/Os.
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  8. #148


    @ whs

    Fanboi here. More on the thread subject. Concerning the 8.1 vs Mint boots in your video of post #132; I saw you post that video in another thread a while back; Is it fair to compare one with the other? They are totally different OSs with different kernels, features, and services.

    I assume you have 8.1 configured to boot with non-passworded local account. Even with a local account, 8.1 during boot is synching with servers to get the Start Screen with tiles current so to get current data/information that Linux distros nor any other OS, including prior MS OSs, simply do not give, so therefore it will take longer to boot, no doubt. One gets even more info and services with MS account sign-in.

    That is the beauty of 8.x. Some may think that they are "consumption" OSs, but in fact they are a business-orientated OSs. I’m quite sure some may wonder why many of us are pushing this issue and how we can claim that 8.xs are much more efficient and safer systems to use. Personally I wish I had this type of OS 25 years ago when booting up my PC at 5:00 a.m. to get a construction business day started. It would have been so much quicker getting the information I needed. I dare say overall it would have saved me at least 15 to 30 minutes a day. 15 to 30 minutes I could have been doing something else productive. The Real Quality Boot Time of 8 Verses 7

    As seen in the thread referenced; what's more important and has priority so one can decide how to proceed.

    Weather: Weather is a very important factor in a lot of businesses. Not only does a user get local weather, but also instantly get the (e.g. job site) weather that’s 50 miles away with tiles that a user can set to do so. Or various places (job sites) in the country or the world. Severe weather alerts also.

    Email: From who and the subject matter at a glance. One may or may not open the app to answer straightway, later, or if at all. Want to separate business and social life? Folders continue in the app.

    Calendar: Again, at a glance, what are the appointments for today? Set it in the “What’s next” mode and open the app for quick review.

    Photos: Share pics and other items via Share in Charms Bar. A quick and easy method to do so. Share via public folder of OneDrive.

    Map app: Set a place and when you get in the car use the phone to navigate to that place.

    There are more apps in the Store geared for business. When MS gets finished writing Office in the Modern/Metro there will be more options. There is also side loading custom-tailored apps curtailed to a specific business.

    Sideload Windows Store Apps in Windows 8

    Sideload Windows Store Apps - Windows 8, Try, Test, Help | TechNet

    Now with my Lumia WP8.1 (or other devices) it's even more efficient. Can this be accomplished with prior MS “desktop” OSs, Linux, Apple, Google, or others? Perhaps, but not like Modern/Metro Start Screen. Far ahead of the others IMO. I’ve posted this subject matter a couple of times before, but no one seems to want to answer to it. Subsequently it seems to me no one has grounds to reason against it.
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  9. #149


    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Interesting. But I really don't know on which bus the eSata port is attached.
    Check your manual, my MB has SATA3 ports, SATA2 and eSATA for both of them in addition to Marvel controller chip for the rest of I/Os.
    Most, if not all motherboards utilize Marvell 88SE9172 chip for the eSATA ports. The chip may even be utilized for additional internal SATA 3 port(s) on some of the motherboards. The maker of the motherboard will claim SATA 3, or SATA 6G device support for these ports. For all practical purposes this claim is true, since all SATA 3 devices backward compatible; however, it does not mean that the SATA 3 device will operate at its maximum transfer rate.

    This chip uses a single PCIe lane, or PCIe x1, that has a maximum transfer rate of 5 Gbs, or 5G. Connecting a SATA 6G device to this port makes the device SATA 5G instantly.

    The motherboard in my system does use Marvell chip for the eSATA 3, which is perfectly fine for an HDD and/or SATA 2 SSD, but not for SATA 3 SSD. Hence the reason why I've got StarTech removable HD enclosure, connected to an internal Intel SATA 3 port. Every little bit of performance counts...
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  10. #150


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    HG, I did not make this comparison video for a 'fair' comparison. It is just raw data.

    I understand the resons why 8.1 has to be slower than Linux. And for those that want all those sync facilities, it may be a blessing. I for my part cut off all sync capabilities because I do not want a lot of my junk to end up on my phone or tablet. All I have to do then is to clean it up.
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