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Five reasons I'd rather run Windows 8 than Linux

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Many of us use Linux every day. Thankfully, most of the people using Linux don't know they're using Linux.

My octogenarian parents, for example, have been using their TiVo DVRs for years, but have no idea that there's a variant of Linux running deep inside. The guy who installed my kitchen cabinets, who loves his Android phone but insists Facebook is hard to use has no idea he's using a variant of Linux....


Reason #1: As soon as you mention one distro, all the fanboys go insane claiming you've made the wrong choice.
You did it, didn't you? Just as soon as I mentioned Mint, a whole bunch of you started to foam at the mouth. Mint's not the distro-du-jour anymore. There's Bodhi. There's Xubuntu. There's the truly unfortunately named DouDou.
Read more at: Five reasons I'd rather run Windows 8 than Linux | ZDNet
 
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Lol - very amusing. Linux and Apple people seem to be a bit "different" and are very proud of it. I guess it's the old " the masses are asses" syndrome.
 

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It was a fun read, and find myself agreeing with the author. Been using Suse Linux Enterprise since 9.1 and do enjoy using it, albeit it just won't run Mac OS X or Windows OS programs/applications. I do use VMWare Workstation with Suse, however just not all that good. But I guess it is all in the brain of the user. . .:geek:
 
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One reason TO run Linux - to get rid of XP without replacing your computer. I just loaded Ubuntu onto my adult daughter's laptop and she loves it. She did not want to spend money on a new computer or OS and the one she has is slow enough on XP, never mind something newer.

She spends 99% of her time on the thing in Firefox and her occasional need for MS office is met with the office clone supplied with Ubuntu. The Ubuntu installer even let me set up the system to dual boot so she can still run XP once in a while to update her phone with iTunes.

This is a great solution for her, hopefully this will delay her need for a new computer until the Chromebook or something like it matures enough to meet her needs.
 

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Amen to this last comment. I have an 82-year old friend who was running XP, very slooooowly on a 20th century machine. I put Lubuntu on his computer and he's been quite happy. He likes the speed and the lack of malware. Yes, I know there are viruses out there for Linux, but in 20 years I have yet to experience one.
 

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So the synopsis of the whole article is: the Linux community are a bunch of rude, anti-socialites that won't help and big boy Windows programs aren't there.

Seems about right...
 

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As long as you're content with very slender selections of 3rd-party software and hardware support, these other OSes will do a fine job. And it's true that the people who find Windows confusing to install and administer would absolutely freak if they had to set up a Linux derivative all by themselves....;)

Windows is by far the runaway best-seller that it is (even though many Linux distros are free to the end user, the demand for purchasing Windows is astronomically higher nonetheless) for what I think are essentially three basic reasons:

1) Windows supports far more 3rd-party software.

2) Windows supports far more 3rd-party hardware.

3) My current @home version of Win8.1x64 (non-Metro) installation is far more backwards compatible, which sort of loops back into #1 above, but is actually a different factor in and of itself.

You could of course add that setting up Windows is far easier than setting up your average Linux distro, but a lot of that is because of #2, above.

Bottom line for me is that if you only use a computer OS for web browsing and email and some amateurish word processing & spread-sheeting, then probably any old functional OS will do provided it can support the hardware you own. But if you actually want to *use* an OS to accomplish a wide variety of tasks over and above web browsing, etc., there's no equivalent to Windows anywhere. There is little mystery behind Windows' popularity, imo.

I recall years ago coming off of eight years of the Amiga's Workbench OS versions (because C= went belly up), buying in a sequence no less than three separate versions of OS/2. I was very disappointed that even with each successive version I managed to have at least one piece of critical hardware which no version of OS/2 supported (IBM had not even written placeholder drivers for it as Microsoft does)--on one occasion that I recall it was my CD-ROM drive, for goodness' sake. End result was that after much finagling I couldn't do what I needed to do with any version of OS/2 and wound up successively installing, then uninstalling each version! IBM simply quit with the OS/2 job only half finished--OS/2 never had a chance. Belatedly, I moved my current OS at the time to Win3.x which I pretty much loathed because it was so crude, at least compared to C='s Workbench. But then Microsoft surprised me with Win95 which was a giant leap ahead from Win3.1, and then to XP which was finally getting into close to the "decent" range. And with Vista, Win7, and now Win8.x, I'm very happy with Microsoft in the OS department these days. Except for the Metro GUI--I don't have any interest in touchscreens (but fortunately Metro is optional in 8.x). I think if Microsoft will get back to desktop OS development with gusto the company has a lot of great stuff in the pipeline almost ready to see the light of day. The pent up demand for new and invigorating desktop functionality must be enormous.
 

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As long as you're content with very slender selections of 3rd-party software and hardware support, these other OSes will do a fine job. And it's true that the people who find Windows confusing to install and administer would absolutely freak if they had to set up a Linux derivative all by themselves....;)

Windows is by far the runaway best-seller that it is (even though many Linux distros are free to the end user, the demand for purchasing Windows is astronomically higher nonetheless) for what I think are essentially three basic reasons:

1) Windows supports far more 3rd-party software.

2) Windows supports far more 3rd-party hardware.

3) My current @home version of Win8.1x64 (non-Metro) installation is far more backwards compatible, which sort of loops back into #1 above, but is actually a different factor in and of itself.

You could of course add that setting up Windows is far easier than setting up your average Linux distro, but a lot of that is because of #2, above.

Bottom line for me is that if you only use a computer OS for web browsing and email and some amateurish word processing & spread-sheeting, then probably any old functional OS will do provided it can support the hardware you own. But if you actually want to *use* an OS to accomplish a wide variety of tasks over and above web browsing, etc., there's no equivalent to Windows anywhere. There is little mystery behind Windows' popularity, imo.

I recall years ago coming off of eight years of the Amiga's Workbench OS versions (because C= went belly up), buying in a sequence no less than three separate versions of OS/2. I was very disappointed that even with each successive version I managed to have at least one piece of critical hardware which no version of OS/2 supported (IBM had not even written placeholder drivers for it as Microsoft does)--on one occasion that I recall it was my CD-ROM drive, for goodness' sake. End result was that after much finagling I couldn't do what I needed to do with any version of OS/2 and wound up successively installing, then uninstalling each version! IBM simply quit with the OS/2 job only half finished--OS/2 never had a chance. Belatedly, I moved my current OS at the time to Win3.x which I pretty much loathed because it was so crude, at least compared to C='s Workbench. But then Microsoft surprised me with Win95 which was a giant leap ahead from Win3.1, and then to XP which was finally getting into close to the "decent" range. And with Vista, Win7, and now Win8.x, I'm very happy with Microsoft in the OS department these days. Except for the Metro GUI--I don't have any interest in touchscreens (but fortunately Metro is optional in 8.x). I think if Microsoft will get back to desktop OS development with gusto the company has a lot of great stuff in the pipeline almost ready to see the light of day. The pent up demand for new and invigorating desktop functionality must be enormous.


Most Windows programs will work on Linux with Wine. Wine is a windows compatibility layer that will run any Microsoft Office, games, etc..

Wine will run Sand-boxed so if it becomes infected by a windows virus you can simply delete it, leaving your Linux box unaffected.


Easily install ubuntu with Graphical User Interface.

There are tons of free 3rd party software that you can install on Linux and Ubuntu.

Look at the Ubuntu Software center to find 3rd party applications.
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LOL there is a lot more to do in linux than just browsing the web.

here are a few programs to start you off:

Gimp is almost exactly the same thing as Adobe photoshop

Blender
Blender is a free and open source 3D animation suite. It supports the entirety of the 3D pipeline—modeling, rigging, animation, simulation, rendering, compositing and motion tracking, even video editing and game creation. Advanced users employ Blender’s API for Python scripting to customize the application and write specialized tools; often these are included in Blender’s future releases. Blender is well suited to individuals and small studios who benefit from its unified pipeline and responsive development process. Examples from many Blender-based projects are available in the showcase.Blender is cross-platform and runs equally well on Linux, Windows and Macintosh computers. Its interface uses OpenGL to provide a consistent experience. To confirm specific compatibility, the list of supported platforms indicates those regularly tested by the development team.
As a community-driven project under the GNU General Public License (GPL), the public is empowered to make small and large changes to the code base, which leads to new features, responsive bug fixes, and better usability. Blender has no price tag, but you can invest, participate, and help to advance a powerful collaborative tool: Blender is your own 3D software.
 
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Windows is by far the runaway best-seller that it is....for what I think are essentially three basic reasons:

It is because for a long time it was the only thing out there pre-installed.

( Unless you count Mac which was only aimed at the higher price ponts).
 

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Okay, I've only just joined this forum coz my Windows 8 laptop has been hanging on 'Keep your PC plugged in until this is done. Installing update 3 of 4' for over 5 hours. I've recently borrowed an old laptop to try out Xubuntu 13.10. Good job I did, considering the apparent borkage with my W8 machine, otherwise I'd have difficulty trying to find a solution.

In the short period of time I've had this loaned machine some updates have come through. They seemed to fly in with no restart and no hanging.
 

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Okay, I've only just joined this forum coz my Windows 8 laptop has been hanging on 'Keep your PC plugged in until this is done. Installing update 3 of 4' for over 5 hours. I've recently borrowed an old laptop to try out Xubuntu 13.10. Good job I did, considering the apparent borkage with my W8 machine, otherwise I'd have difficulty trying to find a solution.

In the short period of time I've had this loaned machine some updates have come through. They seemed to fly in with no restart and no hanging.

You can use the graphical update manager on xubuntu or push ctrl + alt + t which will pull up the terminal then type:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

you will be prompted for your password and then it will update.

simple ways: to install software with linux terminal

sudo apt-get install __________

sudo apt-get install vlc

sudo apt-get install chromium-browser

chromium is the open source version of google chrome.

I prefer this method to the graphical method because it is faster.


Sometimes you will need to install a ppa repository such as vlc daily

the command is:

sudo add-apt-repository ________________

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/master-daily

push enter

then

sudo apt-get update

then

sudo apt-get install vlc



I also reccomend installing gdebi package manager:

sudo apt-get install gdebi

or go to the ubuntu software center and search gdebi
 
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Most Windows programs will work on Linux with Wine. Wine is a windows compatibility layer that will run any Microsoft Office, games, etc..

Wine will run Sand-boxed so if it becomes infected by a windows virus you can simply delete it, leaving your Linux box unaffected.

IMO, if you have a valid Windows license and install disc, you are better off creating a Windows VM.

Easily install ubuntu with Graphical User Interface.

I notice they "gloss over" the
most confusing part of the install (Step 4), setting the location of "/".
 

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Most Windows programs will work on Linux with Wine. Wine is a windows compatibility layer that will run any Microsoft Office, games, etc..

Wine will run Sand-boxed so if it becomes infected by a windows virus you can simply delete it, leaving your Linux box unaffected.

IMO, if you have a valid Windows license and install disc, you are better off creating a Windows VM.

Easily install ubuntu with Graphical User Interface.

I notice they "gloss over" the
most confusing part of the install (Step 4), setting the location of "/".


First comment response: How about using virtualbox to Install windows within Ubuntu.

Second comment response:
In linux you need a /root partion /home partition and a swap partition. These are configured automatically if you choose to make a full Ubuntu install or if you have enough space to install it alongside Windows.

If you did want to manually configure your partitions and dual boot then watch this youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7gWIkAY7s

Go to your partition manager on windows and shrink some space for an install or use gparted on the ubuntu live dvd or flash drive.


Here is a funny video of a systems administrators reaction to windows 8
 
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And that's an "Administrator" ??? I would not let him administer my non-smart phone !!!
Anyway there is really no alternative to windows for me at least (wish there was a viable one ) because Macintosh is way out of my reach or would have to change Linux distros very often just to have some half-coocked applications to do everything or close to I can do on Windows OS. Could you imagine the outcry if there were hundreds of windows distros and you have to choose only one or two of them ?
There is some use for Linux but just for limited tasks for not very demanding users or some Linux variations for serious networking and servers but they are for most part free and are not suitable for everybody.
 

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I think it is slightly more than some use. What do you think is in your tv, washing machine, car, and other things you interact with every day, Google, Amazon etc. Nasa wouldn't get far without it. It also powers the most popular mobile os.

There is just the small area of the desktop where it doesn't have much presence.
 

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I had a old pc that was unsuable with xp. I flush the HDD and install Ubuntu 12.04, it run faster than the dual core mac mini. It's a nice machine now with Ubuntu. I had a audio card, SB live that did not have driver for win 7-8. Ubuntu had drivers for it. I wish I knew Ubuntu before.
 

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I had a old pc that was unsuable with xp. I flush the HDD and install Ubuntu 12.04, it run faster than the dual core mac mini. It's a nice machine now with Ubuntu. I had a audio card, SB live that did not have driver for win 7-8. Ubuntu had drivers for it. I wish I knew Ubuntu before.

I had the same experience with an old a Windows 7 laptop for my sister. The whole thing was messed up because of viruses. She wiped it and reinstalled Windows 7 but was missing all her drivers. Just to show her I plugged in a thumb drive with Linux Mint on it. In 5 minutes I wiped the disk (she had already wiped it so she had nothing) and installed Linux Mint 16. It recognized all her hardware, loaded the proper drivers and it works better than ever. She actually prefers Linux Mint to a Windows 7 and she doesn't hassle me anymore...
 

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Does anyone think the level of NTFS fragmentation is a good idea, when compared to ext4?
 

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My question is, Windows has been around for over 20 years and YET there isn't one solid Linux distro that can actually meet or exceed the whole capabilities of Windows? If anything, it's not Microsoft's fault, it's the fault of people that feel like they should band together and do something about it.
 

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    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

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