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Five reasons I'd rather run Windows 8 than Linux

  1. #121


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    There must be something horribly wrong with your computer.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonono View Post
    And vm's are too slow - ...
    My Windows 7 VMs report a higher WEI than my Windows Host system.
    The W7 VMs take much longer to start (VM 1.5 min to 2 min vs Host 30s to 50s) but they seem to run the same once they have started.

    Interestingly, my XP VMS only take ~10s longer to start than my XP install (~1 min).

    My Linux VMs boot almost as fast as my Linux Mint install (i.e. ~20s).

    You definitely need lots of RAM (I've got 8 GB) for VMs.
    When my PC had 4 GB, I could only run one VM at a time.

    Also, unless you have an SSD, don't run your VMs on the same drive as your Host OS.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonono View Post
    And some can take about half an hour to just load (linux live)
    Live CDs/DVDs/USBs can take 5 to 10 minutes to load.
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  2. #122


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    Live CDs/DVDs/USBs can take 5 to 10 minutes to load
    CDs yes, they are slow. But I run Mint from USB sticks in USB2 and USB3 (practically no performance difference). Those load very fast. But you have to have the right sticks. Mine have 0.3ms and 0.7ms access time and a data transfer rate of 168MB/sec. Example:

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  3. #123


    Wow, that's a fast USB stick. I've never had a stick anywhere near THAT fast.
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  4. #124


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Jeez, Red Hat systems aren't that bad O:-). I use CentOS, which is a clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, for our work servers.
    CentOS is nice.
    If I wasn't running Linux Mint, I'd probably run CentOS as my Linux install.

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Live CDs/DVDs/USBs can take 5 to 10 minutes to load
    CDs yes, they are slow. But I run Mint from USB sticks in USB2 and USB3 (practically no performance difference). Those load very fast. But you have to have the right sticks. Mine have 0.3ms and 0.7ms access time and a data transfer rate of 168MB/sec. Example:
    Last time I tried that it was a disaster.
    My USB stick performance was worse than the Live CD.
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  5. #125


    I just tested out my current SanDisk Ultra USB 3.0 32GB card and it came in around 55MB/sec on read.



    On a more positive note, I just benchmarked my SSD in my MacBook Pro. That's a bit better.
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  6. #126


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I just tested out my current SanDisk Ultra USB 3.0 32GB card and it came in around 55MB/sec on read.
    That is not too bad. The access time is healthy and the data rate does not have such a big impact on the OS performance.
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  7. #127


    Well, speed is a thing that is different for everyone, so its almost imposible to compare, one mans trash can be gold for another man.
    And another thing is, there is no such os as linux, there is linux distributions, so depending on distribution, live version can take 1-30 minutes to boot.
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  8. #128


    Quote Originally Posted by nonono View Post
    Well, speed is a thing that is different for everyone, so its almost imposible to compare, one mans trash can be gold for another man.
    And another thing is, there is no such os as linux, there is linux distributions, so depending on distribution, live version can take 1-30 minutes to boot.
    It's even more complex than that, there are different kernels, distros, packs etc. but it's "Live" system being developed by many people all the time. Ad to that largely unknown iterations for specific jobs, like variations for mobile thingies, machines, robots, cars and a lot more.
    Windows is more centralized OS and Apple even more so, they can rely on their large base of applications that can run on most computers and it's continuity is what attracts SW developers that can actually make big money. Some games have larger budgets and profits than most Hollywood Movies. Large number of freeware programers hope that their free applications will atract attention of commercial SW developers and will one day get at least a job with them and get a large paycheck.
    Than, there's advertising, virtually unknown thing for Linux but Windows is always in the press and being talked about everywhere, Linux just in enthusiast's and highly specialized circles.
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  9. #129


    Quote Originally Posted by nonono View Post
    live version can take 1-30 minutes to boot.
    Not sure where you get those figures from... Here is an example of boot times - oldish article but still relevant.
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  10. #130


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    actually even an SSD on a USB2 slot makes a good place for VM's -- I've a couple of older 128 GB SAMSUNG 830 ssd's which I attach via a SATA==>USB2 cable to the USB slot.

    I take the SSD as it's thin and easily portable -- IMO better than even a USB3 stick.

    On it I have a bootable Host Linux opensuse system with VMware running a W7, a W8.1 VM and a second bootable Linux rescue system. I use this as "My Windows to Go" type of device and performance is better actually than NATIVE windows running from a laptop's internal standard HDD (spinner). Wit a direct SATA pr SATA==>USB3 connection I'm sure would be even better but probably wouldn't make a huge amount of user difference when actually USING the system.

    I use the W7 system for connection to corporate VPN's, SAP systems etc where I can also have multi language office 2010 etc.and the W8.1 system for general Windows testing etc, the Linux rescue system for obvious reasons if something breaks on my laptop and still have around 20 GB over.

    If you are replacing smaller capacity SSD's with bigger one's get the USB2==>SATA adapter -- then the older SSD's make excellent external devices (and very fast too).

    I haven't had ANY problems with SSD failures. reliability problems etc.

    IMO as SSD's become cheaper -- (I can almost afford one of these new 1TB SSD's !!!) USB sticks will be on the way out -- in any case they are very easy to lose -- a 2.5 inch ultra thin SSD fits snugly into a pocket and isn't so easy to lose. -- and you can keep a lot more data on it. !!

    Try this for portable systems too.

    How to make Portable Windows system (any version)

    Cheers
    jimbo
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