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Mozilla edges closer to replacing Flash with JavaScript

  1. #11


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    Firefox was the only browser I used before Windows 8.1 Preview came out along with Chrome 25 and Google's new Blink engine...

    Now I pretty much only use Chrome as my main browser both on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 RTM.

    Mozilla is in desperate need of a new lighter weight interface overhaul and a faster browsing engine to boot in order to compete with the likes of Chrome 30 and Internet Explorer 11 on both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 platforms.


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  2. #12


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    I agree but for IE11 didn't complete the test and in compatibility mode had much worse performance than either Firefox or Chrome..

    Mind you IE11 is what I generally use - I don't have any issues with it in normal browsing (although I know some do).
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Check out the Peacekeeper Browser test for an example:
    Peacekeeper - free universal browser test for HTML5 from Futuremark
    Very pretty.

    I got these scores...

    Chrome 30.0 got a score of 3133 HTML5 capabilities of 6/7
    Firefox 24.0 got a score of 2198 with HTML5 capabilities 6/7
    IE11 in compatibility mode got a score of 481 and HTML capabilities of 1/7
    IE11 not in compatibility mode stopped with 4 minutes to go though on "The WebGL in HTML5 allows fullblown 3D graphics within the browser without any addons. The test renders a simple transparent 3D sphere, inside which are six bumbmapped spheres.".

    Not sure what that means if anything. IE11 doesn't like HTML5?
    You may need to add the site to the "Trusted Zones" and set it to "wide open" to get an accurate result.

    I often forget to disable NoScript when I visit that site and as a result many of the tests fail or give poor results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    You may need to add the site to the "Trusted Zones" and set it to "wide open" to get an accurate result.
    That worked - just the site doesn't recognise IE11 yet. The test with IE11 completed with "Unknown Unknown" browser score of 2297 and 3/7 tests completed. Seems Chrome works best for this site and certainly the video seemed faster. An interesting test, thanks.
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  5. #15


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    Haven't ran Peacekeeper in a long time.

    From my desktop, Opera 17.0.1241.36.
    5830, HTML5 Capabilities 5/7

    From my laptop, 17.0.1241.36.
    5255, HTML5 Capabalities 5/7
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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    Firefox was the only browser I used before Windows 8.1 Preview came out along with Chrome 25 and Google's new Blink engine...

    Now I pretty much only use Chrome as my main browser both on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 RTM.

    Mozilla is in desperate need of a new lighter weight interface overhaul and a faster browsing engine to boot in order to compete with the likes of Chrome 30 and Internet Explorer 11 on both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 platforms.

    What do you mean "lighter weight interface"? If you're talking about the further dumbing down of the GUI and hiding features/options....no thanks.

    As for page rendering, what exactly are you people doing with the split seconds saved while using Chrome over Firefox? Not a browser fanboy here. Use what you like, but I am curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    As for page rendering, what exactly are you people doing with the split seconds saved while using Chrome over Firefox? Not a browser fanboy here. Use what you like, but I am curious.
    Personally, nothing - I use IE11 anyway. I ran these tests out of curiosity. Chrome displayed more of the screens (presumably was more compliant with HTML5 standards although I'm not sure about that) and the video of flying along the river was certainly noticeably smoother.
    Last edited by Brink; 05 Oct 2013 at 09:16. Reason: fixed quote box
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  8. #18


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    Firefox start up so slow it's embarrassing to watch on an SSD...and Chrome just seems to load pages a lot faster then Firefox not just a split second depending on the website.

    As for Internet Explorer 11 I think it's about the most safest browser right now on Windows 8.1 when ran in Enhanced Protection Mode (64-Bit) or Metro UI apps mode (Sandboxed).

    In Firefox's defense some pages loaded in Chrome as not optimally displayed correctly as it is in Firefox and that's why I keep all three browser and switch between them depending on usage but Chrome has become my main browser simply for the speed unless of course I need better security for online purchases (IE or Metro UI) or a website in not displayed correctly (Firefox).
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  9. #19


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    I only use Mozilla based browsers(currently Cyberfox), and I never ever have a problem with them. I've used them since the original Netscape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    ...
    Mozilla is in desperate need of a new lighter weight interface overhaul and a faster browsing engine to boot in order to compete with the likes of Chrome 30 and Internet Explorer 11 on both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 platforms.
    What do you mean "lighter weight interface"? If you're talking about the further dumbing down of the GUI and hiding features/options....no thanks.
    Agreed.
    Firefox is the only browser (in the "Big Three") that still lets you customise most of your GUI.
    Firefox-based browsers like Pale Moon allow customisation too.

    I hate the current "no controls, no menus" browser fad/trend.
    If you want "Full Screen" viewing, just press "F11" (it works in every browser I've tried and a lot of programs too).

    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    As for page rendering, what exactly are you people doing with the split seconds saved while using Chrome over Firefox? Not a browser fanboy here. Use what you like, but I am curious.
    You could use a local site to determine if the problem is a browser rendering issue.
    I normally blame network congestion.

    Based on the browser lab tests, you shouldn't be able to notice any real difference between any of the "Big Three".

    Quote Originally Posted by niekoniekonieko View Post
    Well, firefox is slow browser and will be forever, but they really should get rid of thousands of bugs... i dumped it because it is time bomb, it will explode anytime and no recover will work, a few newest "stable" versions are just piece of crap.
    I see this posted on a regular basis.
    Firefox seems to crash non-stop on some machines and runs perfectly on others.

    Sometimes add-ons (or Flash) cause weird problems.
    Did you try using "FF Safe Mode"?
    Firefox - Start Firefox in "Safe Mode" - Windows 7 Help Forums

    Sometimes files get corrupted in the FF User Profile.
    Creating a new profile fixes that issue.
    Firefox - Create and Run Multiple Profiles - Windows 7 Help Forums

    Here is another browser test link:
    Browsermark 2.0 - Welcome

    W8 + FF22 got the highest score on that site.
    Click image for larger version
    I didn't run a "clean" test (i.e. I was using my network for other stuff at the time).
    You can see how low my Internet bandwidth is compared to their highest rated OS + Browser combo.
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 07 Oct 2013 at 07:39.
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