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    the 360 CPU is a custom PowerPC-based design designed by IBM/Microsoft and produced by a handful of Chinese/Taiwanese companies. it is not a mass commodity CPU that other devices are using. same thing for the Cell processor which has a PPC with some SPUs attached. it's part of the reason why Microsoft and Sony are moving to mainstream commodity technology. sure, there's still custom parts and designs that Microsoft/Sony wanted for their devices, but the base is still mainstream hardware.

    you think AMD is making a lot of money off the Xbox One and PS4 deals? think again. the volumes of chips aren't high enough. the margins on the chips aren't high enough. Microsoft and Sony negotiated hard deals and AMD is in no position to be choosy. beggers can't be choosy. they haven't caused a blip in AMD's stock. AMD is hoping for the halo effect and get more companies to look at their chips.

    and I think with commodity products, we'll see more rapid iterations of consoles from here on out and why there's a better chance now of backwards compatibility for future consoles.

    Microsoft has said in this article (page 1), the Xbox One is going to be like a Steam box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    the 360 CPU is a custom PowerPC-based design designed by IBM/Microsoft and produced by a handful of Chinese/Taiwanese companies. it is not a mass commodity CPU that other devices are using. same thing for the Cell processor which has a PPC with some SPUs attached. it's part of the reason why Microsoft and Sony are moving to mainstream commodity technology. sure, there's still custom parts and designs that Microsoft/Sony wanted for their devices, but the base is still mainstream hardware.

    you think AMD is making a lot of money off the Xbox One and PS4 deals? think again. the volumes of chips aren't high enough. the margins on the chips aren't high enough. Microsoft and Sony negotiated hard deals and AMD is in no position to be choosy. beggers can't be choosy. they haven't caused a blip in AMD's stock. AMD is hoping for the halo effect and get more companies to look at their chips.

    and I think with commodity products, we'll see more rapid iterations of consoles from here on out and why there's a better chance now of backwards compatibility for future consoles.

    Microsoft has said in this article (page 1), the Xbox One is going to be like a Steam box.
    AMD Will Receive $60 - $100 for Every SoC for Next-Gen Game Consoles - Financial Analysts - X-bit labs
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  3. #43


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    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    the 360 CPU is a custom PowerPC-based design designed by IBM/Microsoft and produced by a handful of Chinese/Taiwanese companies. it is not a mass commodity CPU that other devices are using. same thing for the Cell processor which has a PPC with some SPUs attached. it's part of the reason why Microsoft and Sony are moving to mainstream commodity technology. sure, there's still custom parts and designs that Microsoft/Sony wanted for their devices, but the base is still mainstream hardware.

    you think AMD is making a lot of money off the Xbox One and PS4 deals? think again. the volumes of chips aren't high enough. the margins on the chips aren't high enough. Microsoft and Sony negotiated hard deals and AMD is in no position to be choosy. beggers can't be choosy. they haven't caused a blip in AMD's stock. AMD is hoping for the halo effect and get more companies to look at their chips.

    and I think with commodity products, we'll see more rapid iterations of consoles from here on out and why there's a better chance now of backwards compatibility for future consoles.

    Microsoft has said in this article (page 1), the Xbox One is going to be like a Steam box.
    AMD Will Receive $60 - $100 for Every SoC for Next-Gen Game Consoles - Financial Analysts - X-bit labs
    that's not very much. especially with the number of sales. they're using the combined 9 million PS3 and 360 consoles for year 1 (and it's doubtful that this generation of consoles will sell at the same levels as the previous generation). 9 million units is a drop in the bucket. Microsoft/Sony is paying between $60-100 for the APU. how much do you think AMD will make of that in terms of profit? what do you think the margin is at these numbers? not very high.

    the article never states that $60-100 is profit and even hints that it is not: "But even at $60 to $90 AMD should make a good money, assuming high demand for the consoles and good yield of the chips."

    when it comes to bill of materials, Microsoft doesn't care how much AMD makes. their BOM for the Xbox One will include an APU that they negotiated for a cost of $60-100. let AMD figure out if they can make money out of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    the 360 CPU is a custom PowerPC-based design designed by IBM/Microsoft and produced by a handful of Chinese/Taiwanese companies. it is not a mass commodity CPU that other devices are using. same thing for the Cell processor which has a PPC with some SPUs attached. it's part of the reason why Microsoft and Sony are moving to mainstream commodity technology. sure, there's still custom parts and designs that Microsoft/Sony wanted for their devices, but the base is still mainstream hardware.

    you think AMD is making a lot of money off the Xbox One and PS4 deals? think again. the volumes of chips aren't high enough. the margins on the chips aren't high enough. Microsoft and Sony negotiated hard deals and AMD is in no position to be choosy. beggers can't be choosy. they haven't caused a blip in AMD's stock. AMD is hoping for the halo effect and get more companies to look at their chips.

    and I think with commodity products, we'll see more rapid iterations of consoles from here on out and why there's a better chance now of backwards compatibility for future consoles.

    Microsoft has said in this article (page 1), the Xbox One is going to be like a Steam box.
    AMD Will Receive $60 - $100 for Every SoC for Next-Gen Game Consoles - Financial Analysts - X-bit labs
    that's not very much. especially with the number of sales. they're using the combined 9 million PS3 and 360 consoles for year 1 (and it's doubtful that this generation of consoles will sell at the same levels as the previous generation). 9 million units is a drop in the bucket. Microsoft/Sony is paying between $60-100 for the APU. how much do you think AMD will make of that in terms of profit? what do you think the margin is at these numbers? not very high.

    the article never states that $60-100 is profit and even hints that it is not: "But even at $60 to $90 AMD should make a good money, assuming high demand for the consoles and good yield of the chips."

    when it comes to bill of materials, Microsoft doesn't care how much AMD makes. their BOM for the Xbox One will include an APU that they negotiated for a cost of $60-100. let AMD figure out if they can make money out of that.
    Again, I don't have hard facts, but neither do you. Unless one of us get access to their books, no one knows for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post

    Microsoft has said in this article (page 1), the Xbox One is going to be like a Steam box.

    Wait, so you mean kinda like the actual Steam box coming out this year? At least with this one you can use offlime mode and you can get in on the huge sales they have.

    http://m.techradar.com/news/gaming/v...o-know-1127072

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    have you seen the prices for the Steam boxes? kinda crazy. If you thought the Xbox One and PS4 were expensive, you haven't been following prices for the Steam box devices. Even Valve had to back up when gamers mocked the price of the demo'ed boxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    have you seen the prices for the Steam boxes? kinda crazy. If you thought the Xbox One and PS4 were expensive, you haven't been following prices for the Steam box devices. Even Valve had to back up when gamers mocked the price of the demo'ed boxes.
    No I haven't to be honest. I read that comment and remembered reading about it. Just playing a bit of the devil's advocate. ...

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    I know you were. kind of like when someone says something and it leaves a wide opening for a joke.
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    Outstanding. I like AMD, as they are the ONLY ones keeping cpu prices down. If they ever fall, we are all screwed, as the greed pigs of intel will inflate the price of cpu's tenfold....
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    yeah, but Intel fans don't see it that way. they'd love to see AMD die. they're too young to remember how stagnant Intel got when they had minimal competition.

    AMD hired back some of the key contributors to the golden age of AMD so hopefully they can make a difference. However, it'll take a couple years before any fruit bear out in CPU designs.
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