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  1. #51


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    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    Desktop doesn't bring in enough money? You are forgetting about the Corp world where we all run our business from desktop machines. Our company has bought about 200 new desktops with another 1,000 on the way. All with windows 7 of course. That isn't including the servers that we have bought. Every priced windows 2012 data center with 8 cores in a VM environment? Windows 8 wasn't aimed at the Corp user but the home user. Most businesses that I know of are downgrading their license to install windows 7. I'm still debating about going to windows 2012 when I set up some new severs later on this month

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  2. #52


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    Not sure what your point is here.

    Ms OFFICE is the MOST PROFITABLE division. Some corporates have on going Ms Service licenses for DONKEYS YEARS yet for any OS whether it's XP / Win 7 or even "Under the Railway arches". For businesses switching from XP who will certainly choose or are choosing W7 going to W8 isn't even on their radar yet so that's not a real Ms consideration.

    W7 will be "The new XP" as even Ms itself has acknowleged. A lot of HUGE ERP back end application stuff such as SAP don't even install on W8 so W7 isn't going away any time soon. OK few home users have to worry about large ERP / CRM systems but that's a CORE function in a lot of businesses.

    SAP site -- warning -- a LOT to read if you are interested.

    SAP Business Management Software Solutions, Applications and Services | SAP

    Ms will provide support even for some Linux servers -- provided you pay for it of course.

    While there is an Enterprise W8 version out there I suspect this is more for W8 to go users rather than the real corporate world.

    The trouble is with the Fruit Company being caned mercilessly by the Markets Ms doesn't have anybody pushing for the best way to get W8 to work with existing CONSUMERS as well as designing better facilities for mobile device users.

    If W8 ceased business tomorrow it probably would dent Ms's stock price by about 0.25c.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #53


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    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    The problem is Microsoft needs a good OS in order to continue Office sales. If enough consumers reject the OS then the base for selling new versions of Office shrinks.
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  4. #54


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    The problem is Microsoft needs a good OS in order to continue Office sales. If enough consumers reject the OS then the base for selling new versions of Office shrinks.
    Agreed - but even here it's in the Corporate world that Office makes the money from. It's acknowleged that Ms Office is the most Pirated piece of Software on Earth - yet the division is still the nr 1 earner for Ms. -- Shows really that Piracy (whatever the legal or moral stance on it) isn't causing big companies to lose revenues as most of those people using their pirate copies wouldn't have bought the software in the first place -- but a few might just buy it after using it for a while. However that line of argument doesn't go down well in "Grey Suited" Corporate America whatever the true statistics reveal.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #55


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    W7 will be "The new XP" as even Ms itself has acknowleged.
    That's true. Microsoft can continue to sell and service Windows 7 beyond tomorrow.
    Say 2027, why not... they won't give up on it.

    Will they? Or even 2020...
    How many versions of Windows will there be in the next 7 years? What new features?

    Will the start button exist in Windows 11?
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  6. #56


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I doubt they will actually do so. There was once a rumored switch between the Release Preview and RTM that allowed boot to the Desktop, but that never happened. A start menu at this point would really undercut everything they have done so far just to provide a temporary crutch from the old to new.
    There is no 'old' and 'new'. Its simply two interfaces :P. The mobile and desktop interface. The sooner they realize that, the better. They've tried shoehorning people into using the mobile interface, and its clear they're refusing to go. They can either keep shoveling s**t against the tide, or fix it.
    No, it's more old and new. That's what it simply is. The code is such a way that it even defines the Start Screen as a the start menu, it's the same thing but new and different. It's like taking the start menu from Details view to Large Icons view. Are you telling me that icons are a touch only user interface for tablet users?
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  7. #57


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I would be surprised if they made Aero transparency available again.

    There is problem with battery life.

    If they make transparency available on laptop/desktops - then tablet users get a second class experience.

    Uh oh - the answer is to remove it from both.


    Quote Originally Posted by gzt7d8 View Post
    Thank you!


    ps: Can you please return my Aero too, I've seem to lost that too!
    There is a tendency to unify the interfaces, for example Chrome has this in mind as well (see the recent menu list spacing).
    Touch will look like the desktops because the desktops will all look like touch.

    Why I think those guys from AMD made the statement that DirectX 12 wouldn't be made anymore:
    You know where this is leading? If your tablet isn't able to run DX11/12 then your desktop wouldn't run that either: not because it's not capable but because they don't implement that since is not needed on the table interface.
    Sounds absurd to me as well.

    Now let's hope I wrong with the three lines above.
    DirectX isn't going away anytime soon. Microsoft stated otherwise, it would be pretty difficult to not have DirectX and expect PC gaming.
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  8. #58


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I would be surprised if they made Aero transparency available again.

    There is problem with battery life.

    If they make transparency available on laptop/desktops - then tablet users get a second class experience.

    Uh oh - the answer is to remove it from both.


    Quote Originally Posted by gzt7d8 View Post
    Thank you!


    ps: Can you please return my Aero too, I've seem to lost that too!
    Aero transparency LITERALLY occupies less than 10 percent of the total Desktop UI. If you are seriously concerned over something so menial as that, I doubt you're doing the Windows thing right, there isn't a focus of the chrome in Windows 8 at all. There shouldn't had been to begin with. You don't go to an art gallery to admire the frames that the pieces of work are in do you? No. Content over chrome. Not chrome over content.
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  9. #59


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    I guess the Windows 8 purists who love the "Modern" interface will say Microsoft has defiled Windows 8 and will boycott Windows 8.
    I am an 8 purist but wouldn't say that. I don't care if they put the option in. I would not use it.
    If there was a boot to desktop option, I would not enable that either.

    There is no chance (WinRT) metro will be eliminated.
    If the start menu was returned as an option, I'd bet Microsoft would intentionally lock out those start menu users out of certain Windows 8 features, such as refresh and reset so on and so forth. Essentially force them to use it.

    And if they did return the start menu as a hidden option, I ask for the ability to post of every H8er's response to it here as...

    "SHUT UP ALREADY!"

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  10. #60


    I don't really see where Microsoft ends up with too much egg on their face if they bring this menu back. They can say all they want about how nobody wanted it, but the complaints from those who did rang out very loudly.

    It's clear that others are completely satisfied with the new 8 interface and even use the new apps. There are those like me, that although on 8 on my new laptop, I spend 99.95% of my time in classic desktop apps. I find the new apps "pretty simplistic". They look pretty, but are a bit on the simplistic side. I pretty much never use them. Having my entire screen consumed is simply not desirable.
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