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  1. #101


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    This may be the reason that Windows 8 is not very popular.

    Will 90 percent of users always hate Windows 8? | ZDNet
    I think we've been there before -- remember XP -- it was also dubbed as Windows e(XP)ensive and the whole activation system was regarded s something that would either never work or users would stage a revolt and burn the barricades outside Ms's offices worldwide.

    Fast forward a few years --XP is Ms's most successful OS ever -- most people were very happy with it and activation isn't regarded as even an annoyance any more. Some people are STILL happy using it and probably will still keep it for years yet too.

    You never can tell with these sort of things.

    VISTA was a failure -- not really because of VISTA itself - but it was introduced when the available hardware at the time was not capable of running it decently.

    If you actually LOOK at a computer that runs VISTA decently you'll probably see there's hardly any difference to Windows 7 in "Looks and Feel". In fact W7 is largely VISTA under the hood with a few cosmetic changes to the GUI and some of the irritant UAC stuff removed.

    Anyway I'm in the other 10% -- I don't hate W8 but like everybody else we could always hope for some changes --why not-- that's normal. But I am NOT looking for a super fast Windows 7 -- a NEW OS is a NEW OS and should have NEW hardware rather than legacy systems in mind.

    And I think the article is a load of Hogwash. My Grandad (in his 90's) who doesn't give a monkeys toss about technology had NO trouble at all in using Windows 8 -- I can understand if some people are thrown willy nilly into the metro full screen application and see no way to get back to their application it can be confusing -- and this sort of thing does need to be addressed by Ms but simply "Replicating W7" IMO is really not the answer.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #102


    You are correct about XP users did not like the DRM but now M$ is having a hard time getting them to abandon XP.
    I still have a XP box running 24/7 using it as a data logger currently has a up time of 7600 hours last boot was a power outage of over 3 hours UPS limitation.

    One in Seven Users Still Unaware That Microsoft Will Kill Windows XP - Softpedia

    Vista was too soon for the hardware too much eye candy Windows 7 dropped some of the eye candy and made is more stable.

    I do not hate Windows 8 under the hood just the metro UI with a mouse I dislike. Windows 8 has some stability issues but are being fixed my wifi on the laptop was fixed with a update last night, it would not get web access some times and require several disconnects to get it to connect.
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  3. #103


    The solution is simple really. All Microsoft have to do is ASK people what they want in an operating system, or more improtantly, what they DON'T want. The resulting os release should therefore please most of the people, most of the time.
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  4. #104


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Touch is not ready yet, so who's going to tell us when it's ready, you. Millions of people around the world use touch, yet you say it's not ready, what does it need to be ready.
    I'm not in a position to say for sure, but obviously as Microsoft is undergoing a major overhaul on the UI to make it touch centric, means we aren't completely there yet. Websites and applications all need to be touch aware and touch enhanced. Right now, many of us works mainly in the 'classic desktop' and with classic apps and touch isn't the be-all-end-all for many of us.
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I use a tablet for most of my Internet adventures and my responses on forums, why on earth would I need a laptop. I pick up my tablet in one hand it's on, within one or 2 seconds I'm on Eightforums and reading. Another 2 seconds and I'm reading all Ray8s posts and responding with one finger, what's better than that.
    I'm unsure how quickly you type with 1 finger, but I think I probably type a whole heck of a lot faster with a full keyboard. And with a very limited number of onscreen characters, typing something like
    is a real pain on tablet.
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Well I guess the best way to find out if its logical is to ask the roughly 200 million tablet owners. I'll explain it this way, what's the best way to hold a smartphone, one hand, a bigger smartphone, one hand, a phablet, one hand, a tablet, one hand, a 17" laptop, two hands, a 15" laptop, two hands, any laptop, two hands.
    I don't think too many people stand, holding their laptops and type. But laptops can sit on our lap, we can adjust and maintain the angle between the physical keyboard and the screen. It's much easier for me to hold my laptop or chromebook on my laptop or while I am sitting in bed than it is to use a tablet and try to type up a response like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I think the problem on this forum, not enough understand tablets and what they're used for.
    Righto, but the Surface Pro thows a monkey wrench into the mix as it's a fully functional Windows 8 PC in a tablet form factor. And with that it comes at the same price point as a fully functional Windows 8 PC. So, I think some of us are struggling to determine the specific purpose of this device.[/QUOTE]Why do you have to struggle, nobody is making you buy it, plenty of people will buy it. The younger generation struggle to see the purpose of a PC to go on the Internet and Facebook.You can only type 12wpm on a touch screen, some can do nearly ten times that amount, I can do well over double with one finger against your ten with better accuracy.Why are you so worried about the Surface Pro, are you afraid of the future or something.
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  5. #105


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    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    The solution is simple really. All Microsoft have to do is ASK people what they want in an operating system, or more improtantly, what they DON'T want. The resulting os release should therefore please most of the people, most of the time.
    Well then we'd still be using DOS.
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  6. #106


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Why do you have to struggle, nobody is making you buy it, plenty of people will buy it.
    I think your quotes up above, got screwed up. When I said I struggled to determine it's purpose, I didn't intend to express that it was causing me physical or mental stress. I'm simply saying that tablets are geared towards consumption or data, on smaller apps, for limited uses and purposes. Unlike these types of tablets, the Surface is a full computer. But that also means it costs more. Unsure if people want to spend this much money on a tablet, or need this much portable computing power. I think the rather slow sales are kinda indicative that many are just sit back watching on the sidelines to see how this pans out. Heck, even the biggest MS supporters on this forum haven't personally purchased their own Surface devices.



    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You can only type 12wpm on a touch screen, some can do nearly ten times that amount, I can do well over double with one finger against your ten with better accuracy.
    I've not met anybody who can pump out 120wpm on a touchscreen device. I'm sure that I could type faster than 12wpm if I used 1 finger, and my accuracy should be nearly perfect with 1 finger. My accuracy was very compromised with trying to use both hands on a cramped area. But I just don't want to type with 1 finger, when I can type with 10 and get much faster results on a real keyboard.


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Why are you so worried about the Surface Pro, are you afraid of the future or something.
    I'm not worried about the Surface Pro. But I wonder if MS came to the market with a product undesired or unneeded by the masses. Guess we will just have to continue to watch sales of Android and iPad.
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  7. #107


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    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    The solution is simple really. All Microsoft have to do is ASK people what they want in an operating system, or more improtantly, what they DON'T want. The resulting os release should therefore please most of the people, most of the time.
    Hi there
    If you ask too many people you'll get too many widely conflicting views -- just look at this Forum as a start and head over to seven for some real W8 Vitriol.

    The marketing people have to take a guess from their own predictions and what the company want to do in future. -- Just relying on an OS written for a desktop is a certain death as this is a hugely shrinking market and if you can't apply your business to new devices you are DEAD.

    If people had been asked about XP at the start we would never have had it -- now people don't want to get rid of it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #108


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    The marketing people have to take a guess from their own predictions
    How do you know?

    Isn't it possible Stevie S decided to push this thru - not on the basis people would want it - but because he figured they would have to put up with - they would, in MS speak, "get used to it". That is because it benefits MS - or so they thought.

    Dismal sales might be telling them something else.
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  9. #109


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    You're not getting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    The solution is simple really. All Microsoft have to do is ASK people what they want in an operating system, or more improtantly, what they DON'T want. The resulting os release should therefore please most of the people, most of the time.
    Hi there
    If you ask too many people you'll get too many widely conflicting views -- just look at this Forum as a start and head over to seven for some real W8 Vitriol.

    The marketing people have to take a guess from their own predictions and what the company want to do in future. -- Just relying on an OS written for a desktop is a certain death as this is a hugely shrinking market and if you can't apply your business to new devices you are DEAD.

    If people had been asked about XP at the start we would never have had it -- now people don't want to get rid of it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #110


    Websites and applications all need to be touch aware and touch enhanced. Right now, many of us works mainly in the 'classic desktop' and with classic apps and touch isn't the be-all-end-all for many of us.
    I do not want touch sensitive anything!!!
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