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Windows 8 uncertainty blamed for decline in PC sales

  1. #121


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    Funny to see the "Windows 8 failed" and "Windows 8 is the new Vista" hate train is still "all aboard". Some people aren't willing to spend $800+ for a tablet running W8.

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  2. #122


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
    Funny to see the "Windows 8 failed" and "Windows 8 is the new Vista" hate train is still "all aboard". Some people aren't willing to spend $800+ for a tablet running W8.
    Because people make valid criticism of a product, does not mean that they 'hate' the product. Labelling people as 'haters' for doing so, makes the accuser far worse.

    And yes, many people aren't willing to spend $800 on a tablet. Is there a problem with that?
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  3. #123


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    "Manufacturers have responded. Funny about that. This reflects exactly what I've been saying about Windows 8 and platform specifications."

    The Windows Division is up 24% funny that, looks like you were exactly wrong, oh and I think Surface might be doing okay as well.

    "Microsoft said that the past holiday season turned out to be the strongest in the company’s history. Additionally, CEO Steve Ballmer was characteristically bullish about the company’s recent performance and future prospects, especially in regards to Windows Phone 8 and the Surface tablet:"

    Sorry Ray.
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  4. #124


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    Steve Ballmer?


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Additionally, CEO Steve Ballmer was characteristically bullish about the company’s recent performance and future prospects, especially in regards to Windows Phone 8 and the Surface tablet:"
    This guy?
    Vista selling really well, says Ballmer - PC & Tech Authority

    Or this guy?
    Microsoft's Ballmer admits Windows Vista "was just not executed well" | Computerworld Blogs
    Microsoft never recovered from Vista blow, says Steve Ballmer - Telegraph

    I "like" how the pro-W8 members claim, that all of the bloggers and journalists who don't like W8, have an anti-MS agenda and yet Steve Ballmer is lauded as being completely impartial (i.e. doesn't have a pro-MS agenda).
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  5. #125


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
    Funny to see the "Windows 8 failed" and "Windows 8 is the new Vista" hate train is still "all aboard". Some people aren't willing to spend $800+ for a tablet running W8.
    Because people make valid criticism of a product, does not mean that they 'hate' the product. Labelling people as 'haters' for doing so, makes the accuser far worse.

    And yes, many people aren't willing to spend $800 on a tablet. Is there a problem with that?
    I didn't mean the people, just the media.
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  6. #126


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
    Funny to see the "Windows 8 failed" and "Windows 8 is the new Vista" hate train is still "all aboard". Some people aren't willing to spend $800+ for a tablet running W8.
    And yes, many people aren't willing to spend $800 on a tablet. Is there a problem with that?
    Funny thing is, people still can't get it in their head that Windows 8 Tablets are not just Tablets.
    It floats right over their heads as if a gust of wind blew past them and everyone else felt it but them.

    Seriously, it's not that hard to understand, Windows 8 Tablets are not just Tablets, they are not iPad or Android
    They are not toy content consumption devices, they are full blown windows on a tablet.
    They are UltraBook Tablets, they are high powered devices (depending on the manufacturer and model you get)
    capable of running Desktop software.

    It's not a difficult concept to get. Why then must it be repeated, repeatedly, that Windows 8 Tablets are not the Tablets people are accustomed to?

    BTW, weren't the first iPads like 700$ and compared to an over sized iPod Touch? Yeah, they were and people trampled other people to get them. So the whole $800 for a tablet,, isn't that a bit of a strawman argument?

    iPad - Compare iPad Models - Apple Store (U.S.)

    Yeah, I think so.

    then compare the specs to Surface specifications
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  7. #127


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    They are 10 in ultrabooks.

    A bit smaller than the competition - for the moment. That is all.

    Surface is expensive and hampered by poor battery life.

    However, it looks like Dell has something at $500 or so which will be carrying winds 8.

    If that performs reasonably - it is the kind of device that could sell.

    Assuming it does - then will it be because it has metro/RT stuff - or will it be because it is a ten incher at a good price which can run desktop programs and people buy it in spite of the metro/rt stuff.

    I strongly suspect the latter - IF it does sell ok.
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  8. #128


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    This is the cheapest I could make it. And not the hardware I would recommend.
    it's not even close to what you get from the Surface.

    However, I will admit that you are probably right about which will sell more.
    But it would also be based off of education and research.

    Over all, none of the Dell offerings are better than the Surface. only in price, but not in what you get for that price.
    In all honesty, compared to the surface, Dell's and other OEM's hardware is a rip off by comparison.

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    I take back part of what I said,, and equal comparison to the Surface is ...
    But you don't get the same type of Stylus, and I am not sure that the touch screens are truly comparable
    I think the Surface is better. But I am not sure, I need to research that more.

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  9. #129


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
    Funny to see the "Windows 8 failed" and "Windows 8 is the new Vista" hate train is still "all aboard". Some people aren't willing to spend $800+ for a tablet running W8.
    And yes, many people aren't willing to spend $800 on a tablet. Is there a problem with that?
    Funny thing is, people still can't get it in their head that Windows 8 Tablets are not just Tablets.
    It floats right over their heads as if a gust of wind blew past them and everyone else felt it but them.

    Seriously, it's not that hard to understand, Windows 8 Tablets are not just Tablets, they are not iPad or Android
    They are not toy content consumption devices, they are full blown windows on a tablet.
    They are UltraBook Tablets, they are high powered devices (depending on the manufacturer and model you get)
    capable of running Desktop software.

    It's not a difficult concept to get. Why then must it be repeated, repeatedly, that Windows 8 Tablets are not the Tablets people are accustomed to?

    BTW, weren't the first iPads like 700$ and compared to an over sized iPod Touch? Yeah, they were and people trampled other people to get them. So the whole $800 for a tablet,, isn't that a bit of a strawman argument?

    iPad - Compare iPad Models - Apple Store (U.S.)

    Yeah, I think so.

    then compare the specs to Surface specifications

    Who's the one wandering lost in the woods? Google Windows tablet and guess what you find? Also: Tablet computer Definition from PC Magazine Encyclopedia. How's them apples? But then in your world, it appears that everyone else is wrong.
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  10. #130


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    Uh huh,,,, and you are telling me that people do not define, over all, the definition of tablet as Android and iPad. BS. Yes they do.

    Let me elaborate...

    Windows 8 tablet Definition from PC Magazine Encyclopedia

    Windows 8 Vs. Windows RT
    There are two kinds of Windows 8 tablets. A "true" Windows 8 tablet runs all the applications that run on a Windows XP, Vista or Windows 7 computer, whereas a Windows RT tablet does not. See Windows RT, tablet PC and tablet computer.
    True Tablet = Desktop Apps

    RT = iPad , Android Tablets.
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