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  1. #81


    Linux:

    • Uses less RAM (~400MB vs ~1.2GB)
    • Uses less HDD/SSD space (~6GB vs ~20GB)
    • Is immune to most Viruses and Worms that are prowling the Internet
    • Runs VMs in VMware run faster and smoother.
    • Costs $0
    I tryed to introduce Linux once in the company I used to work for but it was a real pain. Not because of Linux itself, but because the resistance that people have to learn a new thing. I agree with your points, but in real world the reality is different.

    Windows main advantages are:

    • Games
    • Business software
    • Ease of software installation
    Well said. M$ has 90% of the market today, and gaming and thechinical software are the two reasons that make me believe that the scenario wont change in the next decade.

    I currently triple-boot Windows Server 2003 R2 x64; Windows 8 Pro x64 and Ubuntu 12.10 x64 on my main rig. That's a good way to get the best of all. Windows Server 2003 is for my legacy techinical apps, Windows 8 for daily use and gaming and Ubuntu for learning and to keep me in touch with a different and efficient OS.


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  2. #82


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli316 View Post
    In the end, if we put Metro aside, windows 8 is better than 7 in every aspect.
    If you ignore the colour scheme and missing customisation options.
    Not really missing: call it inaccessible at first sight.

    The options are still there but hidden or missing (yes I said it) from the interface.
    You should try this with any customized theme based on AeroLite + hi contrast modes (basic, classic look).
    All colors are customizable in a classic theme, even on Win8.
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  3. #83


    Scotland
    Posts : 192
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Windows 8 isn't the problem, users are!
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  4. #84


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    Windows 8.1 update 1 Pro X64 with WMC


    Quote Originally Posted by echrada View Post
    Windows 8 isn't the problem, users are!
    exactly well said
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  5. #85


    Quote Originally Posted by echrada View Post
    Windows 8 isn't the problem, users are!
    Windows 8 has plenty of blame too. Just because tons of people aren't interested in this, doesn't mean they are completely to blame. Future versions of Windows might well indeed become really kick ass, but there is still a lot to be done and changes in everything that we use and do with computers that needs to happen.
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  6. #86


    Steam is not happy with M$ direction with Window 8 either.

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  7. #87


    Scotland
    Posts : 192
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Its called diversification.
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  8. #88


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    There is a little hidden thing - almost no one fkn care about linux, cause it is worse than windows in every aspect, ...
    Depends on your definition of, "... worse in every aspect, ...".

    Linux:
    • Uses less RAM (~400MB vs ~1.2GB)
    • Uses less HDD/SSD space (~6GB vs ~20GB)
    • Is immune to most Viruses and Worms that are prowling the Internet
    • Runs VMs in VMware run faster and smoother.
    • Costs $0


    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    ... and it has very few drivers from hardware vendors, most of "drivers" are just mini software that has no control that windows drivers has, and things like Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia must say something.
    Linux Mint 14 ran my Radeon HD6450 and my onboard sound card out of the box, Windows couldn't (W8CP & W8RP couldn't run my onboard sound even after I installed the driver).

    Windows main advantages are:
    • Games
    • Business software
    • Ease of software installation


    People use Windows at work, so why would they bother to learn how to use a different OS on their home PCs?

    BTW, I use Windows for >95% of my personal computing.
    It's funny about the reluctance. When mentioning I was trying out various distros some years back even a friend who used Linux while in the armed forces came out and said: "I used Linux for 7yrs. Stay with Windows!". Just had Linux Mint Debian on the second drive and now have to find the time for the 90day Win 8 Enterprise install to see how that goes.

    In contrast between Linux and Windows one thing most may not even be aware of is being able to get in there and at times fix Windows bugs, recover files, and even fix the boot sector while booted live from a Linux distro like ubuntu, Knoppix(live only), Linux Mint(ubuntu or Debian based release), Puppy Linux, and a few others. You can see an iso written to a flash drive made bootable if not burned to disk to see what is on a drive when the OS on it doesn't load.

    For general everyday use without the need of learning Bash commands and at times needing to open a console far more typically seen in years past however your Windows machine is going to be right there when called to task! Now as far as hardware requirements the biggest leap in demand wasn't seen now with 8 or 7 but saw the leap in minimum requirements with Vista while the latest Mandriva or other Red Hat server orientated distro being larger in size might require a wee bit more then a good sized one like Knoppix or Linux Mint Debian(prewrapped with 200 apps).

    Now the contrast between open source and Windows is different when the 6-8month newer release is due to Linux being "open source" where when anyone submits something "new and blue" a new release including it will be seen. On the other hand MS works up something of their own "new and blue" for each newer version based on a set of standards(fluxuating that is) working with software as well as hardware manufacturers.

    With 8 however they broke the mold and took a gambit slapping their new tablet OS's gui on all platforms to have a new brochure to pass out and say: "see we have it all covered!" as they leap at the other market a bit more. "Get familiar with your Surface Tablet while at your Win 8 desktop!" could be one way to look at things. Most however take one look and say "Hey this thing doesn't belong on a desktop!" And the end result is many simply do not look past the MS goober to see any of the actual updated desktop elements due to being drowned out by some MS manager's brain dead idea of how to make things look alike.
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  9. #89


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    There is a little hidden thing - almost no one fkn care about linux, cause it is worse than windows in every aspect, ...
    Depends on your definition of, "... worse in every aspect, ...".

    Linux:
    • Uses less RAM (~400MB vs ~1.2GB)
    • Uses less HDD/SSD space (~6GB vs ~20GB)
    • Is immune to most Viruses and Worms that are prowling the Internet
    • Runs VMs in VMware run faster and smoother.
    • Costs $0


    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    ... and it has very few drivers from hardware vendors, most of "drivers" are just mini software that has no control that windows drivers has, and things like Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia must say something.
    Linux Mint 14 ran my Radeon HD6450 and my onboard sound card out of the box, Windows couldn't (W8CP & W8RP couldn't run my onboard sound even after I installed the driver).

    Windows main advantages are:
    • Games
    • Business software
    • Ease of software installation


    People use Windows at work, so why would they bother to learn how to use a different OS on their home PCs?

    BTW, I use Windows for >95% of my personal computing.
    It's funny about the reluctance. When mentioning I was trying out various distros some years back even a friend who used Linux while in the armed forces came out and said: "I used Linux for 7yrs. Stay with Windows!". Just had Linux Mint Debian on the second drive and now have to find the time for the 90day Win 8 Enterprise install to see how that goes.

    In contrast between Linux and Windows one thing most may not even be aware of is being able to get in there and at times fix Windows bugs, recover files, and even fix the boot sector while booted live from a Linux distro like ubuntu, Knoppix(live only), Linux Mint(ubuntu or Debian based release), Puppy Linux, and a few others. You can see an iso written to a flash drive made bootable if not burned to disk to see what is on a drive when the OS on it doesn't load.

    For general everyday use without the need of learning Bash commands and at times needing to open a console far more typically seen in years past however your Windows machine is going to be right there when called to task! Now as far as hardware requirements the biggest leap in demand wasn't seen now with 8 or 7 but saw the leap in minimum requirements with Vista while the latest Mandriva or other Red Hat server orientated distro being larger in size might require a wee bit more then a good sized one like Knoppix or Linux Mint Debian(prewrapped with 200 apps).

    Now the contrast between open source and Windows is different when the 6-8month newer release is due to Linux being "open source" where when anyone submits something "new and blue" a new release including it will be seen. On the other hand MS works up something of their own "new and blue" for each newer version based on a set of standards(fluxuating that is) working with software as well as hardware manufacturers.

    With 8 however they broke the mold and took a gambit slapping their new tablet OS's gui on all platforms to have a new brochure to pass out and say: "see we have it all covered!" as they leap at the other market a bit more. "Get familiar with your Surface Tablet while at your Win 8 desktop!" could be one way to look at things. Most however take one look and say "Hey this thing doesn't belong on a desktop!" And the end result is many simply do not look past the MS goober to see any of the actual updated desktop elements due to being drowned out by some MS manager's brain dead idea of how to make things look alike.
    This is why Linux is only really used by IT people....

    Also, this notion that Windows 8 is on everything is bad doesn't make sense. Windows 7 on a netbook didn't make a lot of sense, as the screen sizes were small and cramped with not high enough resolutions to get any real productivity out of it. Windows 7 on a tablet was iffy at best as the UI targets weren't either large enough or fuzzy enough to tap them right. Windows 7 was on the laptop and Windows 7 was on the desktop, yet no one was saying that was a bad thing.....
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  10. #90


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by vrosa View Post
    Linux:

    Uses less RAM (~400MB vs ~1.2GB)
    Uses less HDD/SSD space (~6GB vs ~20GB)
    Is immune to most Viruses and Worms that are prowling the Internet
    Runs VMs in VMware run faster and smoother.
    Costs $0
    I tryed to introduce Linux once in the company I used to work for but it was a real pain. Not because of Linux itself, but because the resistance that people have to learn a new thing. I agree with your points, but in real world the reality is different.
    That list was in response to this demonstrably false statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    There is a little hidden thing - almost no one fkn care about linux, cause it is worse than windows in every aspect, ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Not really missing: call it inaccessible at first sight.

    The options are still there but hidden or missing (yes I said it) from the interface.
    You should try this with any customized theme based on AeroLite + hi contrast modes (basic, classic look).
    All colors are customizable in a classic theme, even on Win8.
    That's not what I meant.
    Try changing the font face, icon size or icon spacing.

    Quote Originally Posted by echrada View Post
    Windows 8 isn't the problem, users are!
    "The operation was a success, but the patient died."
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