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Don't hate Windows 8!

  1. #51


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You're the one who doesn't understand tablets, if they're not meant for serious work why do Pilots and Doctors use them as well as many other Professionals.
    See, now you've put this vision into my head...

    ...of a plane where all the instruments and windows in a cockpit have been replaced by a single viewer (Star Trek style) in front of the pilot. You can look out the view out of the window, but you can't see an instrument at the same time. Press a hotkey (or swipe) and you can see, for instance, the altimeter (displayed 2 feet high), but you lost the view out the window. Press the hotkey again and you can see the airspeed indicator (but you lost the altimeter and still can't see out the window). This probably doesn't end well...
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I'm going to bluntly sum up some of the angst against Windows 8: user ignorance/lack of knowledge about using it.

    Many problems would be gone in Windows 8 for many people IF they KNEW how to use it effectively.
    Yes, although I lay some of the blame on Microsoft for not making it easy to find out how to use it. Previous versions of Windows have Help links and/or an F1 key to press if you were stuck... neither of which work on the Start Screen. If you know the trick, you can type in "Help"... and get zoomed over to the Desktop, in a generic Help Window which has none of the context of what you were trying to do. So it's no wonder people get stuck.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But some people don't like it for other reasons...
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    On a big screen TV Windows 8 is absolutely awesome, it seems tailor made for home entertainment.
    I return to this quote from Raluca Budiu here
    Windows 8 is optimized for content consumption rather than content production and multitasking. Whereas content consumption can easily be done on other media (tablets and phones), production and multitasking are still best suited for PCs.
    For some people, and some purposes (characterised by Budiu as content consumption - eg. big screen TV) they see Windows 8 as a big step forward for them personally.

    For some people (Budiu's content creators; eg. music producers) , they see Windows 8 and in particular the Modern/Metro interface as a big step backwards for them personally.

    And I think one reason there are so many lively discussions on here is that they're both right...

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  2. #52


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    I read that Raluca Budiu story, it gave me a headache, Windows 8 doesn't and never has, she makes it sound a lot more confusing than it is. All it is is a couple of hotspots and right mouse clicks, the task bar on the left, the charms bar on the right and that's basically it.
    The other thing is, can't anyone use Google or Bing, Using Windows 8, closing down Windows 8, it's harder to find your way around an iPad than Windows 8.
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  3. #53


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    PLEASE SOMEBODY tell me what's so hard with using Windows 8 compared with W7 from the basic desktop.

    I agree there's some initial setup shenanigans to get convenient applications on to taskbar and desktop -- but once you've done that WHAT'S essentially the difference between the desktop in W7 to the desktop in W8 apart from no ORB.

    All your apps can be executed from the desktop / taskbar just like W7.
    At boot you have to click on Desktop from the W8 start screen -- what's hard about that.

    For things like controls panel -- you press WINDOWS plus the X key and choose control panel rather than the ORB and select control panel.

    W8 Search is MUCH easier and efficient than W7 or XP.

    You NEVER need to use W8 METRO stuff if you don't want to -- and for those who have touch screens W8 beats W7 hands down -- but most of the complainers etc are those with traditional desktops who've probably never tried using Touch facilities on a computer.

    I'm not saying W8 is without problems - Of course I'd like some better method of customising and arranging the tiles - that will happen anyway either by Ms or 3rd party developers - bust seriously folks if you sort your desktop out properly and just remember only TWO items - click desktop on Ist boot and the Windows+X key the differences between running W7 and W8 are NEGLIGIBLE.

    (There are always some cases - especially if you have 100's of features on your machine - but this gets hard even with a Classic Menu) but my remarks are directed at around 85 - 90% of typical users out there -- and YES I do agree setting the machine up initially is a pain but if you've done it correctly -- no problem.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #54


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    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    At boot you have to click on Desktop from the W8 start screen -- what's hard about that.


    I'm not saying W8 is without problems - Of course I'd like some better method of customising and arranging the tiles...

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Bypass start screen-- Boot direct to desktop & bypass start screen


    Customize tiles-- Download OblyTile 0.8.8 Free - Design tiles for your Windows 8 Start Screen - Softpedia

    How to bypass password screen-- How to bypass the Windows 8 password screen | PCWorld
    Last edited by David Bailey; 13 Feb 2013 at 05:29.
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  5. #55


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    God how I hate that Classic Menu, if they ever bring that back, I'm outa here, as far as hating Metro, like Jimbo said one click and you're on the desktop and you're on a faster OS with more features, what's up with that.
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  6. #56


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    No Clicks > One Click


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    God how I hate that Classic Menu, if they ever bring that back, I'm outa here, as far as hating Metro, like Jimbo said one click and you're on the desktop and you're on a faster OS with more features, what's up with that.
    Windows 7 = no clicks and you are on the desktop!

    Windows 8 + replacement Start Menu (e.g. Classic Shell) = no clicks and you are on the desktop!
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  7. #57


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    God how I hate that Classic Menu, if they ever bring that back, I'm outa here, as far as hating Metro, like Jimbo said one click and you're on the desktop and you're on a faster OS with more features, what's up with that.
    Windows 7 = no clicks and you are on the desktop!

    Windows 8 + replacement Start Menu (e.g. Classic Shell) = no clicks and you are on the desktop!
    Years ago I used to do all kinds of stuff to dress up my PC, then I started to wonder why it was slowing down, in the end I thought hey this is a PC not a sideshow. So now all I do is put a nice racing car or something that catches my eye on the desktop and that's it, still looks cool though.

    As far as the one click goes, I figure over a lifetime it'll amount to one hour out of my life, I can wear that.
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  8. #58


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    as for bypassing password screen that's been around even from XP days

    1) Windows + X key -- select RUN from the popup menu( W8) from XP/Vista/W7 from menu chose RUN

    2) type control userpasswords2 and just follow instructions --simple.

    Start menu is ALSO a mega pain if you have loads of apps -- it's just a choice of whether you prefer to scroll DOWNWARDS (Menu system) or Horizontally (W8).

    And to re-iterate for most users you can operate W8 identically to W7 by using quick launch bar and pinning commonly used applications as desktop icons -- so I can't see what the problem is in the workplace where generally you have far fewer applications on a desktop that you probably would at home. (Speaking here of typical users - not IT or server support type of people --in any case these guys would probably be working in command mode a lot of the time anyway).

    I've posted earlier in the thread how to pin an application icon to the desktop in W8 so it looks and behaves exactly like the same function in W7 - but for those who missed the post

    1) Windows key + X for the little popup menu -- select SEARCH. You'll get the start screen with the search input area at top left of screen.
    2) enter name of application say Photoshop
    3) right mouse click
    4) now at the BOTTOM of the screen select Open file location
    5) from the file location right click on the .EXE file or whatever and chose SEND TO DESKTOP (Create short cut).

    Now go back to your desktop -- and you've got the standard Photoshop Icon on your desktop. Now when you want to run Photoshop just click the icon and it works (in non metro mode) just like it's always done.

    Apart from a bit of setup what's hard about this -- you can work almost EXACTLY as you did in W7.

    Again difficulties with W8 are IMO GROSSLY exaggerated in most cases. For those rare cases that need W7 --well no problem but W8's problems are GROSSLY EXAGGERATED.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #59


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I've posted earlier in the thread how to pin an application icon to the desktop in W8 so it looks and behaves exactly like the same function in W7 - but for those who missed the post

    1) Windows key + X for the little popup menu -- select SEARCH. You'll get the start screen with the search input area at top left of screen.
    2) enter name of application say Photoshop
    3) right mouse click
    4) now at the BOTTOM of the screen select Open file location
    5) from the file location right click on the .EXE file or whatever and chose SEND TO DESKTOP (Create short cut).

    Now go back to your desktop -- and you've got the standard Photoshop Icon on your desktop. Now when you want to run Photoshop just click the icon and it works (in non metro mode) just like it's always done.

    Apart from a bit of setup what's hard about this -- you can work almost EXACTLY as you did in W7.
    That used to be done for you AUTOMATICALLY in previous versions of Windows (for most software).
    Now people have to execute more clicks and waste more time.

    Not that this particular issue affects me anyway (I don't put program icons on my desktop).
    I'd also describe this issue as an annoyance.
    It's not difficult to overcome, just annoying (like the UAC in Vista).
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  10. #60


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I've posted earlier in the thread how to pin an application icon to the desktop in W8 so it looks and behaves exactly like the same function in W7 - but for those who missed the post

    1) Windows key + X for the little popup menu -- select SEARCH. You'll get the start screen with the search input area at top left of screen.
    2) enter name of application say Photoshop
    3) right mouse click
    4) now at the BOTTOM of the screen select Open file location
    5) from the file location right click on the .EXE file or whatever and chose SEND TO DESKTOP (Create short cut).

    Now go back to your desktop -- and you've got the standard Photoshop Icon on your desktop. Now when you want to run Photoshop just click the icon and it works (in non metro mode) just like it's always done.

    Apart from a bit of setup what's hard about this -- you can work almost EXACTLY as you did in W7.
    That used to be done for you AUTOMATICALLY in previous versions of Windows (for most software).
    Now people have to execute more clicks and waste more time.

    Not that this particular issue affects me anyway (I don't put program icons on my desktop).
    I'd also describe this issue as an annoyance.
    It's not difficult to overcome, just annoying (like the UAC in Vista).
    Hi there
    I agree -- it's a bit annoying when this used to be done automatically -- but as I said AFTER you've done the start up chores there's almost NO difference in the DAILY use of W7 to W8.

    I'm sure there will be improvements in the OS especially with the customisation issues - but after this Boring Chore has been done I still maintain even for most desktop users the differences in the way you need to work between W7 and W8 are essentially very trivial.

    I tend to use the quick launch bar for most of my stuff -- that has hardly changed - a lot of installers will ask you if you want the application pinned to the quick launch bar anyway (both on W7 and W8).

    For people who haven't users Windows before - problems with W8 are (or should be a non issue) - they'd have to learn Windows in any case.

    For those that HAVE used windows before - as I said it's relatively easy to almost replicate the W7 experience even if it IS slightly annoying at first.

    You don't have to go ANYWHERE near Metro type apps if you don't want to -- and I find W8 far better with a touch screen enabled laptop - or even hopefully a W8 surface Pro type of tablet.

    Syncing stuff to phones is also simpler in W8 too.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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