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Don't hate Windows 8!

  1. #131


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    "go for the latest bios version!" is a common advice?
    Normally there is a changelog for the BIOS and then, if it really fixes stuff or you get the interest in some enhancements, then you can install it... otherwise: NO.

    The best actual advice anyone should be hearing is "be sure to make a backup of the present bios before..."!
    That's right: For HP, the BIOS installer itself makes backups first. Always recommended to backup.

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  2. #132


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Agreed! When someone says they are hesitant to update the bios for fear of "bricking things" that might have been the case a good number of years back with the old dos flash type methods when not seeing any backup made. Off to the manufacturer away goes the board! With the EZBios and WinFlash options seen at this however it is still always a good practice to make a backup while the newer options are less likely to see any "haste makes waste" situation come out of it just because... someone went for a newer version.

    As for the feedback part of what if 8 still saw Aero and a very familiar Start orb while stripping aways dvd playback support and charging separately for things like the Media Center I think you would find people would be up in arms over that. The sudden trend to Tablet and slapping the RT gui on while stripping away the traditional desktop type gui is the problem however with this new idea someone at MS has of making all look the same. Tablet should still remain on Tablet only while a newer desktop theme retaining the desktop platform could have reflected a somewhat RT styling without trashing the main gui.

    As you can readily see this already has many turning backwards rather then forwards when buying a new pc or laptop with 8 and not finding an OS they expect to see but something else instead. A friend who just went out and bought a new 8 laptop without ever asking about 8 is now anxious to sell it in order to recoup what he spent on it!($700 or so) He asked someone else who was reluctant to even run Vista and wouldn't even look at 7 if he was interested in it. You know where that will go. Nowhere fast! except his main case is down presently.

    Opinions, opinions, opinions is what to expect with any newer version to start with. The Aero wasn't too well liked at first either when Vista first came out. But that still saw what 8 lacks namely the option for the Classic themes while 8 has seen a gui turned upside down as far as the desktop platform is concerned. The need for 3rd party apps to make it resemble a somewhat normal desktop OS has been a deterent despite the news about numerous 8 licenses being sold.

    Naturally any new version flies off the shelves when it first arrives until people start using it and finding out it's not for them. Each version when new sees this anyways. This time however MS strayed off in a different direction on their own to promote their new Tablets seemingly forgetting what about the desktop side of the story. Some will easily find they can love and hate 8 at the same time due to this.
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  3. #133


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    I hate 8 in it's native format. Throw in a good Win7 type start menu and by-pass "Metro" and we're in business. Very fast, and bland look doesn't worry me in the least. In fact the plainer the better.

    My 2 cents worth.
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  4. #134


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Well that's an objective view! Fortunately Classic Shell is free and has the option for the 7 Start orb as well as the main Start>All Programs menu to work with. That includes the shutdown, restart, logoff button.

    Some of the OEMs came up with their own solutions just to be able to sell their new desktop and laptop models! Fortunately 8F has a guide for taking care of the missing Start button/menu problem. Start Menu - Restore in Windows 8

    Now for automatically arriving at the desktop here's another guide for that. https://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html

    One thing I found when not having any password, pin code, or image file assigned to lock up the admin account was to simply press and hold the enter/return when the 8 Welcome screen arrives and suddenly you are looking at the desktop without ever seeing the new Start screen come up in your face. The guide there however has the more permanent steps to follow. I has already been keeping the desktop tile at the top left as indicated there since the CP install.

    Now for that ugly drab looking Start screen there are some solutions for changing the appearance! Alas look over the guide for this as well. Start Screen - Change Background Color and Image
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  5. #135


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Thanks Night Hawk, very helpful information and links.

    Cheers M
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  6. #136


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    You can thank Brink for putting in all the work he does that goes into the guides! He's the one that deserves the credit for the finds in each one!

    I had just heard one friend who was mainly an XP user having never ran VIsta or 7 went out and bought a new 8 laptop and found himself wanting to sell the laptop off to recoup since he is not anyone you would call pc literate and now hates 8! He never asked me or anyone I discussed the new changes with about 8 before jumping into it. He also doesn't know about guides like these or the 3rd party apps people have been using to get around the RT look!

    The one big lesson to learn regardless of how any new version looks at first is getting to know the "ins" and "outs" before assuming the OS is no good. While I was disappointed with the Bad Mistake MS made as far as slapping the RT gui onto a desktop release I would still be looking at the core elements and whatever workarounds to set things up the way I would want them before hosing 8 off the map completely.

    For this particular version I will be waiting for the SP1 version however over the need to grab SP1 separately to see 8 as a second OS now that I found a way to get DX9c onto it. The service pack will address the initial bugs I didn't find with 7 while that was still in RC form. My second build lately however is 7 Pro with SP1 included and no need to keep installing SP1 separately whenever a fresh install would be needed. That will strictly be a one OS build with that one however while I try the 90day trial for Win 8 Enterprise out on the second OS soon having been delayed with the RP VM still working however.
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  7. #137


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Well I bit the bullet and installed Win8 Pro OEM from disc bought at retail computer shop on my main machine. And I have to say the speed is really blistering. Which is not really unexpected considering it's an extreme mobo/CPU, 12GB RAM, 3 SLI linked graphic cards and SATA3 SSD HD.

    Funny thing is though, I've put Win7 Ult 64bit retail version on my backup machine. And for some unknown reason Win7 boots up faster and runs quicker on my backup than it did on my super-dooper jet-propelled flagship??? For example, it took 15 seconds to open an Excel doc on flagship, but does it in 4 secs on backup.

    I must admit Win7 had gone 12 months without a clean install, so may have bogged down from accumulated junk ... despite registry cleans, system restore points turned off, very little bloatware, and all apps/programs removed with Revo which also gets left over registry entries and file fragments.

    There were a few work arounds I had to do, and a few things wouldn't run on W8, like Acronis 2012. But overall I have to say I am very happy as it does all the basic tasks I need. I like things simple, and have all folders on list view with no details so I can get maximum files per folder viewed by name only.

    My happiness would be turned to sheer joy if M$ restored a legacy start menu and direct boot to desktop without the need of third party stuff. And that's not a big ask from a long term M$ supporter. Regrettably I don't think it's gonna happen.
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  8. #138

    Don't hate win8 just don't use it.


    Lots of PCs in our house of various vintages. Couple of Vista, couple of Win7, and one dinosaur with XP.

    Always preferred the look of Vista over XP and it had a few neat tricks. Win7 was better and with a few more tricks.

    Will I go Win8....not in a million years. Who needs Metro and the desktop is ugly as hell. My machine has been dual boot win7/win8 for months and I have given up with Win8.

    So, if I could not have Win7, what would I use instead. Easy, Linux Mint 14 with Cinnamon.

    I have this running on a USB hard drive and can plug it into any PC and it finds all the "drivers" and just works, no network problems, wireless is great, screen res is always the best, etc etc.

    It comes with Tbird, FFox, LibreOffice, Gimp, VLC Media Player and a heap more already installed.....and it is really pretty. The only thing I have added is Cairo-dock (like Rocketdock in Windows) which gives a Mac like launch bar.

    If you want to network it with an existing Windows network you have to get a wee bit into Samba to get it configured right but its pretty easy and then file sharing etc etc is great.

    If you haven't tried it don't knock it. Download the LiveCD and run it from DVD without interfering with your system. Loads a bit slow from DVD but then works pretty good. Installed on USB hard drive it is much quicker than Win7 or Win8.

    That's my say. As an old retired IBM person, never thought I would be suggesting Unix.....!!

    PS. Bye the way....it comes with a Start button in the right place......yeeha
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  9. #139


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    I keep Linux Mint Debian the one time well two time released Debian based LM not ubuntu based on a 32gb flash drive at all times I carry with me for any emergency data rescue when someone's Windows or other machine won't start up. The Debian flavor of LM comes prepackaged with some 200 apps rather then tracking them down. Simply click the ones you want on.

    Of course that's the other guy's OS seeing improvements as well as making things "easier to use" over the old console and bash commands while MS has taken a sharp into something else with 8 namely the mobile, Tablet market while doing nothing new with an original 8 style for the desktop platform. After seeing 7 become an MS champ #1 I knew the next would be a slightly slower seller!

    And what was expected for the next version to come along was further advancements with the MinWin kernel with what was to follow 7. Instead what do you see? MS gutting features out of the OS people use on the home desktop pc as well as slapping a tablet gui on an updated core?! They're pushing the tv ads for 8 while they certainly stayed off course just to bash Google and Android and even the FireFox OS now seen to some degree.
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  10. #140


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by evereti View Post
    Lots of PCs in our house of various vintages. Couple of Vista, couple of Win7, and one dinosaur with XP.

    Always preferred the look of Vista over XP and it had a few neat tricks. Win7 was better and with a few more tricks.

    Will I go Win8....not in a million years. Who needs Metro and the desktop is ugly as hell. My machine has been dual boot win7/win8 for months and I have given up with Win8.

    So, if I could not have Win7, what would I use instead. Easy, Linux Mint 14 with Cinnamon.

    I have this running on a USB hard drive and can plug it into any PC and it finds all the "drivers" and just works, no network problems, wireless is great, screen res is always the best, etc etc.

    It comes with Tbird, FFox, LibreOffice, Gimp, VLC Media Player and a heap more already installed.....and it is really pretty. The only thing I have added is Cairo-dock (like Rocketdock in Windows) which gives a Mac like launch bar.

    If you want to network it with an existing Windows network you have to get a wee bit into Samba to get it configured right but its pretty easy and then file sharing etc etc is great.

    If you haven't tried it don't knock it. Download the LiveCD and run it from DVD without interfering with your system. Loads a bit slow from DVD but then works pretty good. Installed on USB hard drive it is much quicker than Win7 or Win8.

    That's my say. As an old retired IBM person, never thought I would be suggesting Unix.....!!

    PS. Bye the way....it comes with a Start button in the right place......yeeha
    I've got nothing against Linux and have got the latest Mint, Ubuntu and Puppy Distros, but I don't know where you get that Mint is faster than Windows 7 and 8, especially Windows 8. 8 is much faster than Mint or Ubuntu.

    When I first started using Linux years ago the biggest attraction was its speed, but that is no longer the case, they seem to have gotten bogged down, except Puppy.

    I'm going to try a few more Distros, one I particularly used to like years ago was Dream Linux but that seems to have bitten the dust.
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