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Removing Start for Windows 8 was the right thing to do

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    Removing Start for Windows 8 was the right thing to do


    Like them or loathe them, Metro-style apps are here to stay, so let's stop agonising over the lack of a Start button — here are the very good reasons why it makes sense to get rid of it.

    Read more at source:
    Removing Start for Windows 8 was the right thing to do | ZDNet



    For those that can't live without the Start Menu, see:
    Start Menu - Restore in Windows 8

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    Agreed. The start menu doesn't work well with a touchscreen. 99.99% of us desktop and laptop users of Windows (which account for 99.99% of the installed Windows user base), don't have touchscreens...and most likely won't for the next few years.

    The theory is that eventually when cars are flying they won't need tires, but you don't see cars on the lot today which don't come with tires in preparation for this eventuality.

    As I've always said, make this blasted interface optional and lots of people become far happier.
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    I loathe the touch-screen concept with a passion.

    I will never buy a desktop with a touch-screen.

    Nor a laptop.

    Touch DOES NOT BELONG on these devices.

    At ALL.

    It certainly has NO place on my machines.

    Fine on a phone or tablet, but unacceptable on REAL machines.

    Just as well W8 works just fine with a mouse, or I'd be giving it
    a miss, no matter how 'good' it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Just as well W8 works just fine with a mouse, or I'd be giving it
    a miss, no matter how 'good' it is.
    Don't you use a start menu replacement, boot to desktop, and quick launch? No disrespect here, but essentially you are saying Windows 8 works fine if it has the Windows 7 interface bolted on top of it.

    MS designed Windows 8 to be used via the start screen and that is the way the majority of consumers will use it. Does your recommendation that Windows 8 is fine extend to users actually using the Windows 8 user interface?
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    So basically the main argument in the article is "Start button doesn't make sense with touch so it must be removed". Sure, but all of us with untouchable screens - are we chopped liver?

    The truth is Windows 8 compromises the Desktop experience to support touch. Some people accept that compromise and some don't.
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    I'll have to get back to you on that one, Snoop.

    Although, as I said somewhere else, I find myself using
    both the Classic Start AND the new Start screen.

    This was originally done so I could still find things while
    learning my way around W8.

    But the two actually do complement each-other, so I
    reckon I have the best of BOTH worlds.

    I can bounce between the two with ease, but can avoid
    the Start screen altogether if/when desired. I do NOT
    have the Start screen OR the Charms bar disabled, and
    do use them both.

    Sure, that setup won't suit everyone.

    But it IS a good way to learn W8 without getting lost,
    and I like the added versatility.

    I DO miss the Start button, but now when I'm on my
    W7 machine, I find myself missing the Start screen
    and the 'guts' menu (bottom-left right-click).

    And it all works just FINE with a mouse...:-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivo View Post
    So basically the main argument in the article is "Start button doesn't make sense with touch so it must be removed". Sure, but all of us with untouchable screens - are we chopped liver?

    The truth is Windows 8 compromises the Desktop experience to support touch. Some people accept that compromise and some don't.
    I'd be in the 'don't' camp, Ivo.

    That's why I've customised it to suit my preferences, because I do like the OS itself.


    BTW, love what you've done with Classic Shell. Thanks....well done...
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoop101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Just as well W8 works just fine with a mouse, or I'd be giving it
    a miss, no matter how 'good' it is.
    Don't you use a start menu replacement, boot to desktop, and quick launch? No disrespect here, but essentially you are saying Windows 8 works fine if it has the Windows 7 interface bolted on top of it.
    But why spend the money to upgrade from Windows 8, then make Windows 8 run like Windows 7. Unless you are deriving great value from some of the other Windows 8 features, it might make sense to just stay put with Windows 7. It's going to be up to the end user to determine if all of the other changes bring enough added value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoop101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Just as well W8 works just fine with a mouse, or I'd be giving it
    a miss, no matter how 'good' it is.
    Don't you use a start menu replacement, boot to desktop, and quick launch? No disrespect here, but essentially you are saying Windows 8 works fine if it has the Windows 7 interface bolted on top of it.

    MS designed Windows 8 to be used via the start screen and that is the way the majority of consumers will use it. Does your recommendation that Windows 8 is fine extend to users actually using the Windows 8 user interface?
    Hi there

    If you really BELIEVE what you've actually posted -- please re-read your original post again --you say Most CONSUMERS.

    This might be true but then please tell me why there is an "Enterprise" version of W8. If you are in a workplace most people really need the classical desktop -- not this type "SKOOL COOL TOOLS" interface.

    At install time there really ought to be options for the GUI --Metro , Classical Desktop, or both.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Seriously right now, it's faster to use the Start Screen than the menu.
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