The hubs are self powered. I tried to buy the Siig hub before the second hub I chose. Newegg discontinued it and almost every review said it only worked for a short while before dying.
I just tried my USB 3 Seagate drive in the hub and it dropped from 182 MB/s to 30 MB/s. My current theory is that so few people are using USB 3 that hub support simply isn't there.
Bad theory. We can clear the bsods from happening then fix this problem with ease, if you visit the Crash subforum and post the zip that the top thread shows you how to make, as previously offered.
"The new driver stack maintains compatibility with the existing client drivers that were built and tested on earlier versions of the Windows operating system."
Easiest way to say it: Really need to install the NEC 3.0 drivers.
Still welcome to get those bsods fixed. Can't have a machine doing that at all.
The point I was making is that you can install drivers all day but if the hubs by a certain brand simply reduce anything plug in to the 2.0 mode then you end up needing to wait or shop around for something better. No matter how good the drivers are if the hardware stinks you end up in tuff spot.
With hubs I've ran into that enough times where some self powered or not simply won't even allow Windows to detect anything plugged into them. Go with another brand and suddenly everything works as it should! In the last few years the better but not as expensive as others CyberPower 4 port hubs with an ac adapter have worked like champs.
I'm still waiting to find the newer 3.0 hubs that should coming along sooner or later however likely after 8 is already out. Then I will be looking at their 7 port hubs as well as any 4 port 3.0 models. But since hubs fall under pc accessories manufacturers simply push them out fast on the market without worrying about quality unlike OEM pc or other hardwares where reviews make their days for any newer model series.
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The point I was making is that you can install drivers all day but if the hubs by a certain brand simply reduce anything plug in to the 2.0 mode then you end up needing to wait or shop around for something better.
Bad point. He said he tried a few 3.0 models and none worked @ 3.0. For probably the 5th time in this thread: Installing the NEC drivers is needed, along with alleviating bsods.
Why are you trying to disable quality help or acting as a barrier to it?
regkaz accurately summed up the exact same problem outlined in the article I pointed to earlier. He also had mentioned ordering more then one of the same brand from newegg which is the main reason he could expect to see the same problem with each of them.
I should add that the hub hasn't died since my clean install of Win 8 64 bit with no additional USB 3 drivers. It's only the issue of USB 3 devices plugged into it running at USB 2 speed.
Besides the hub you use I've also found that certain brands of flash drives for example will also be a factor at times to look at. For the 2.0 flash drives some will hardly even work at all or run at the 1.1 speed over others that act normally.
You can also expect this to be the case with 3.0 drives and devices as well where some simply won't run at the anticipated 3.0 speed regardless of how good or bad a hub may be. Besides that the speed any bus is rated at is the maximum you can attain under ideal conditions not the always to be seen speed.
You can apply the same to seeing a Sata 3 drive transferring data at the Sata II speed at times on that type of bus. If you are transferring a large file or a large number of files the speed will tend to slow down since you are placing a larger load on the bus itself.
As far as the crashes you are seeing the memory dump files if any as well as any blue screen information will be helpful when you start another thread in the crash support section. Those tend to provide a wealth of information for diagnostic purposes.
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OK, I yield for now. Not sure if I should mark this as solved or wait another week.
I've finally got it working. After all the BSODs from my first install I was afraid to use anything but the default Win 8 drivers. This time I skipped the Win 7 chipset drivers and ONLY used the most current NEC (not Renasis) Win 7, 64 bit, USB 3 driver.
It was initially a little flaky. On the first reboot it hung the system. After that cleared it had issues waking from sleep mode where it would re-find my USB 3 hard drive but then rapidly refresh the window with a "not responding" message. I lost explorer.exe for a few minutes on that one.
For the last few days it's been much better. It stopped "finding" the hard drive upon waking and now lists it properly in My Computer. My Corsair USB 3 16 gig flash drive has been parked in the hub and running at true USB 3 speeds. All appears well.
One other thing I could mention as to why a 3.0 ready drive would drop to 2.0 when plugged into any hub would be the need to see it plugged into a port. This is typical of illuminate keyboards as well as other devices link many printers that tend to pull heavier on the bus.
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One other thing I could mention as to why a 3.0 ready drive would drop to 2.0 when plugged into any hub would be the need to see it plugged into a port. This is typical of illuminate keyboards as well as other devices link many printers that tend to pull heavier on the bus.
If the pc is setup properly, and the hub is designed to work @ 3.0, there is no issue.
I'm in a very decent mood (Sunday night @ ~ 10:30 - the math says good mood lol) - Night Hawk, don't get me wrong - I like your posts overall and in general.
I was simply looking some other things that can trip you up at times. When not able to find fault with drivers installed or with a particular hub or device plugged into it the next step is a look at why it works when plugged directly into a port but not while plugged into a hub. That couldn't be ruled out entirely.
Was there a new driver issue by chance? regkaz I got a notice of a reply but not found here.
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WD Caviar Black Edition Sata II 1tb two OS drives
WD RE "Heavy Duty Sata II 2tb two Storage/Backup
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WD Blue Sata II 500gb
WD Black Edition Sata III 1tb
WD Green Power Sata II 1tb in external usb enclosure
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Corsair TX750H 750w -Corsair 500w
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Antec 900-2 -NXZT Vulcan Mini tower/carrying handle
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120mm front pair, 120 rear 200cm top - 120mm Front intake 200mm side cover
I do believe the issue is because the Hub is using older firmware. If Windows does not detect that it needs newer firmware find out what chipset it uses and go to their website and update to the latest firmware for the chipset.
That would be make a lot more sense as far as the firmware being too USB 2.0 likely seeing the same chipset in use on 2.0 hubs and now put into the new 3.0 products. They simply came up with an update rather then manufacture an updated chipset to save on costs.
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Acer 19" dual monitor setup - 2nd case HP 20" lcd
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1440x900 same on both builds
Hard Drives
1st build
WD Caviar Black Edition Sata II 1tb two OS drives
WD RE "Heavy Duty Sata II 2tb two Storage/Backup
2nd build
WD Blue Sata II 500gb
WD Black Edition Sata III 1tb
WD Green Power Sata II 1tb in external usb enclosure
PSU
Corsair TX750H 750w -Corsair 500w
Case
Antec 900-2 -NXZT Vulcan Mini tower/carrying handle
Cooling
120mm front pair, 120 rear 200cm top - 120mm Front intake 200mm side cover
They are 3.0 chipsets. According to Microsoft the early 3.0 hub firmware did not work very well as a 3.0 hub but great for 2.0. So windows 8 will only run those hubs at 2.0 speeds until it detects newer firmware.
Isn't it wonderful! Some years back the supposedly 2.0 devices faced similar issues at times when those always seemed to operate a bit slower then 2.0 likely being 1.1 orientated.
I still have to look now to see what CyberPower has for 3.0 hubs however. That has been a reliable brand of hub for the 4 port size with ac adapter. I can take anything usb 2.0 that is and plug it in and have no problems.
Now on the next machine to come along on the other hand some of the exact flash drives or other devices will suddenly run into problems with another brand especially hubs that run solely off of the port itself it is plugged into. Once I start collecting 3.0 devices I will at least have a good hub to work with.
Creative Xtreme Gamer - 2nd case Realtek Onboard audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer 19" dual monitor setup - 2nd case HP 20" lcd
Screen Resolution
1440x900 same on both builds
Hard Drives
1st build
WD Caviar Black Edition Sata II 1tb two OS drives
WD RE "Heavy Duty Sata II 2tb two Storage/Backup
2nd build
WD Blue Sata II 500gb
WD Black Edition Sata III 1tb
WD Green Power Sata II 1tb in external usb enclosure
PSU
Corsair TX750H 750w -Corsair 500w
Case
Antec 900-2 -NXZT Vulcan Mini tower/carrying handle
Cooling
120mm front pair, 120 rear 200cm top - 120mm Front intake 200mm side cover
I do believe the issue is because the Hub is using older firmware. If Windows does not detect that it needs newer firmware find out what chipset it uses and go to their website and update to the latest firmware for the chipset.
