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Should I use an image of Win 8 OEM on new SSD or retail?


orlando1974

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Hi, I just bought a new laptop with Win 8 preinstalled on the HDD. I want to replace the HDD with an SSD and according to Asus support, I was told the easiest way is to create an image of the preinstalled Win 8 OEM is with their Asus Backtracker software. However on my desktop PC I already am using a retail version of Win 8, so I have an ISO of the retail version. I was thinking it might be easier to just use that but according to Asus support, they recommend I use the OEM that came preinstalled rather than install the retail version...

Any suggestions?
 

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If anything goes wrong.
OEM Version pre-installed: you call ASUS
Retail Version: You Call MS
OEM Version you buy from the store: You Call yourself.

As long as the Versions are the same, I would think you can install it with the retail version. The advantage is a fresh install while the pre-installed version from ASUS will contain a lot of unnecessary software (bloatware, anti virus, evaluation etc...) and can slow down your system.

What I would do is take out the HD that currently have the pre-installed Windows, put in the SSD and install the Retail version, and if the activation is OK then I am done. Otherwise, connect the HD to a USB port then use the free version of Macrium to clone it.

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EDIT: Actually you don't need to download or install Macrium, Just download the Macrium Rescue disk from one of our member, put it in the USB stick, boot up then clone the HD: Macrium WinPE .iso - OneDrive
 

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If anything goes wrong.
OEM Version pre-installed: you call ASUS
Retail Version: You Call MS
OEM Version you buy from the store: You Call yourself.

As long as the Versions are the same, I would think you can install it with the retail version. The advantage is a fresh install while the pre-installed version from ASUS will contain a lot of unnecessary software (bloatware, anti virus, evaluation etc...) and can slow down your system.

What I would do is take out the HD that currently have the pre-installed Windows, put in the SSD and install the Retail version, and if the activation is OK then I am done. Otherwise, connect the HD to a USB port then use the free version of Macrium to clone it.

Macrium Reflect Free

EDIT: Actually you don't need to download or install Macrium, Just download the Macrium Rescue disk from one of our member, put it in the USB stick, boot up then clone the HD: Macrium WinPE .iso - OneDrive
Thx for you suggestion! Just wondering though...while your method for installing Windows sounds easier, isn't it also easier to remove the unwanted software "imposed" by Asus instead of having to do a fresh retail install and then find/install all the asus drivers manually?
 

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It depends on how comfortable your are with installing all the system-specific drivers. See if your system has a location for all the drivers and make sure you have them saved. And/or download the latest ones from their support site. Do the retail install and then the drivers. There can be small difference between models and the drivers (e.g. Lenovo switched audio manufacturers in the same model of laptop).

It will definitely be easier to use the OEM version and uninstall bloatware, but you may end up with snippets of stuff still installed. After uninstalling the bloatware, check out your processes to see if there is anything out of the ordinary.
 

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I would take the time to gather drivers and do a clean install rather than fight all the bloatware that usually comes with OEM preinstalled. Asus SHOULD have a place where you can download most or all of the needed drivers for your machine.
I've collected drivers for my systems and keep them on hand on an external drive.
Jim
 

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My TechNet 8.0 ISO read and used the OEM embedded key in my laptops BIOS. My key was for 8.0 Core and that's what got installed. I wasn't prompted to enter a product code and it activated automatically online. It's my understanding that my TechNet ISO's are identical to the retail DVD's. Keep in mind that for this to work you have to use a Windows 8.0 DVD if your laptop came with Windows 8.0 and an 8.1 DVD if it came with Windows 8.1. I did a clean install to an SSD that I swapped in to replace the factory drive. I'd boot from the retail DVD and see what happens. You can always image if it doesn't work. If your Retail DVD is Windows 8.1 and your laptop came with 8.0 you can do this. http://www.eightforums.com/installa...retail-windows-8-1-windows-8-product-key.html

EDIT: If you can skip installing 8.0 and go right to 8.1 with update 1, I'd do it.
 

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Hey guys... reporting back on my progress!

I decided to go the clean install way with a retail version of Windows 8.1

Prior to doing so, I used the Asus BackTracker to create a folder on a USB key of all their related drivers and apps that came with the laptop.

I'm now in Windows 8.1 and about to install those drivers but when I run the Asus Installation Wizard, I'm getting the following message: "The drivers on this disk are not compatible with your hardware."

Dam, maybe its cause the laptop came with Windows 8, not Windows 8.1?

So i thought maybe if I change the properties of this wizard to run it in Windows 8 Compatibility Mode... and it worked!

Now Im just wondering if I still should proceed with installing these drivers... i dont want to wreck my laptop... i mean if they are not Win 8.1 compatible, will they still install?

(Official Asus tech support answer: Regrettably we do not support upgrades or downgrades, I am unable to say if the drivers would work, I can only recommend that you use the windows operating system that came on your unit.)
 

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I would go to ASUS's website, search for your device and download and install the Windows 8 drivers that you need. They will be fine with Windows 8.1
 

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I would go to ASUS's website, search for your device and download and install the Windows 8 drivers that you need. They will be fine with Windows 8.1
:ditto: Except look for 8.1 drivers first. ASUS lists some 8.1 drivers for my laptop and some 8.0 drivers for my laptop. The only ones I really needed though were the ATK utility and the Smart Gesture utility. My touchpad worked but I had no two finger scroll. I went to AMD for the video drivers, the ASUS ones were giving me errors on 8.1 with update 1. I went with the 14.4 drivers.
 

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Thx for you suggestion! Just wondering though...while your method for installing Windows sounds easier, isn't it also easier to remove the unwanted software "imposed" by Asus instead of having to do a fresh retail install and then find/install all the asus drivers manually?
One important thing when dealing with laptop.People tend to jump in and install Windows without finding out what their system specs is. It is true with the same Model, you can have different hardware such as Audio, Blue tooth, Wifi...
To avoid any complication:
  1. Go to to their support site, find out what your system specs is by entering your laptop serial number.
  2. Check if the BIOS in your system is up to date. If not update it first.
  3. Next, download all the drivers according to your system specs.
  4. Install Windows and activate it.
  5. Go to Program and features, check on the Net Framework 3.5 and install it to avoid any complication updating it which most people have in the forum.
  6. Very first driver to install is the Chipset drivers so that all the built in devices on the mother board will function properly.
  7. Run Windows Updates. Windows will find most missing drivers and list them as optional in plain English such as: Network Controller XXX, Audio Driver for XXX, Video Driver XXX etc... where XXX is the make and Model
  8. Open device manager and inspect if there any drivers are missing indicated by yellow exclamation marks. If you already have the drivers downloaded from step 3. then don't install the optional updates in step 6 but install the drivers you downloaded (more up to date) The exclamation mark associated with that device should disappear.
  9. Configure, optimize your Windows.
  10. Run sfc /scannow and make a backup image before installing any third party software.
 

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One of the gotchas with laptops is most of your hardware will work with the stock Windows drivers, but some custom functions may not. Namely your special function keys. You may find that your keyboard screen brightness keys don't work, or your keyboard volume up down doesn't work. The custom laptop manufacturers drivers usually fix this situation.
 

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Thanks friends! One more question... since I pulled out the HDD that came with the laptop and replaced it with SSD, I will be installing the HDD back as secondary drive. Its my understanding that a Quick Format will do... but Asus had partitioned it in two. Should I leave it like that or is it OK if I just have one main partition? The drive is a 750GB 7200RPM WD Black.
 

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Thanks friends! One more question... since I pulled out the HDD that came with the laptop and replaced it with SSD, I will be installing the HDD back as secondary drive. Its my understanding that a Quick Format will do... but Asus had partitioned it in two. Should I leave it like that or is it OK if I just have one main partition? The drive is a 750GB 7200RPM WD Black.
First, you should make a backup image of the whole disk in case you want to sell/give away your laptop in the future etc... then once you are up and running with Windows, you can delete the whole thing and repartition it as you wish.
Macrium Reflect Free is easy to use for backup.

EDIT: the backup program will backup the data occupied by the disk, not the whole 750GB in case you wonder.
 

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Thanks friends! One more question... since I pulled out the HDD that came with the laptop and replaced it with SSD, I will be installing the HDD back as secondary drive. Its my understanding that a Quick Format will do... but Asus had partitioned it in two. Should I leave it like that or is it OK if I just have one main partition? The drive is a 750GB 7200RPM WD Black.
First, you should make a backup image of the whole disk in case you want to sell/give away your laptop in the future etc... then once you are up and running with Windows, you can delete the whole thing and repartition it as you wish.
Macrium Reflect Free is easy to use for backup.

EDIT: the backup program will backup the data occupied by the disk, not the whole 750GB in case you wonder.
Sorry if I wasnt clear... I just meant to ask, is it OK to use a 750GB as one partition...or does it create any benefits to split it into two partitions?
 

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Can I just transfer an image from desktop to laptop?

OK, same Windows is now installed on both my desktop PC and my laptop. Very different drivers though, different hardware...obviously. So now that I've started to install a few programs on the laptop, (and I've got MANY more to do), I wondered...

What IF I could take my desktop image (OS + Programs) and install THAT on my laptop instead of doing every program installation manually. HOWEVER, I dont want to mess up any of the drivers it took me so long to install on the laptop. Should I just continue installing programs or should I stop and make an image of desktop... (I dont even know if what im asking is possible)...

As an aside, I dont think I would have enough room on my laptop C: drive because its half the size as the desktop C: drive... but I was wondering if its possible to "separate" drivers from the rest when installing an "image", so that the drivers foundation remains intact and the OS is laid on top..

Doable?
 

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Sorry if I wasnt clear... I just meant to ask, is it OK to use a 750GB as one partition...or does it create any benefits to split it into two partitions?
this really is up to you however you want to organize your personal data. Use it as a whole is fine, or divide it into partitions. I use it as a whole disk and create folders to store different type of files: documents, video, music etc... less crowded when I open "This PC" instead of having all the drives listed in it.

What IF I could take my desktop image (OS + Programs) and install THAT on my laptop instead of doing every program installation manually. HOWEVER, I dont want to mess up any of the drivers it took me so long to install on the laptop. Should I just continue installing programs or should I stop and make an image of desktop... (I dont even know if what im asking is possible)...
Windows 8 is really forgiving in this part. I have done it before with physical/Virtual machines. It will re-run "getting devices ready" and install appropriate drivers for your Laptop. However, you might need to do a little cleanup to remove all the drivers that were associated with your desktop.
 

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OK, only problem left now is that i have an exclamation mark next to "high Definition audio device" (which is one of two audio devices)
Just right click on it and uninstall. If there's a check box asking to delete the driver, tick it and reboot your laptop to see if Windows can find a correct driver or run Windows Updates else, you need to download the driver from the manufacturer.

EDIT: also download Drive Tools for Windows Cleanup
and run as admin, it might help to clean up all the orphan devices.
 

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I put 2 SSD's in my laptop. The original 750 GB drive that was in it went into and external enclosure. I deleted all the partitions on it and made just the one. I use it to backup what's on the laptop.
 

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OK, only problem left now is that i have an exclamation mark next to "high Definition audio device" (which is one of two audio devices)
Do you get sounds out of your speakers? If it's not that it may be the audio part of your HDMI output. If it's video drivers will fix it.
 

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