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Hyper-V REALLY needs some work.


Coke Robot

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For the life of me, I cannot get Hyper-V to install Windows 7 and have things work right away. This is ridiculous, VirtualBox is freeware and does a better job.

Methinks this may be an epic fail.....
 

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I agree that Hyper-V needs some more work done on it, but don't forget that, as part of WDP, it too is in development and as such will likely undergo further development and revision prior to the Beta/RC/RTM releases of the OS.

One of the main problems with this kind of software (and Hyper-V is by no means exclusive here, with the same problems being attributable to alternatives such as VirtualBox et al), is that much of the normal hardware functionality is emulated, often with mixed results. For example, my Tutorial http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2493-hyper-v-how-use-windows-8-a.html shows Windows Vista SP2 (x86) running as a guest OS, although with no network access. I then installed WindowsDeveloperPreview-32bit-English and got network access straightaway. This was with exactly the same settings in Hyper-V. In both cases, there was no audio, and the graphics were generic.

It would be nice to be able to install an OS under Hyper-V and have full functionality with network connectivity, audio, graphics, etc.

However, I feel that you are always going to get better performance when installing an OS as a native install rather than as a VM, although it is quite likely that VM technology will continue to develop and improve.
 

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winstontj

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So is there a DP version of 8-Server that has less fluff so we can really try out this stuff?

I (still, sadly) am unable to do a clean install of W8. Every install so far has been as VMs which means I'm not allowed to enable and activate the Hyper-V functionality when another HV is running.

I use (and pay a ton for) VMware's Workstation 8.0 & ESXi 5.0 Enterprise Plus - I currently have about 65 VMs of W8 running in a test environment. It would be awesome to test out Server-8's hyperV and compare the two.

FWIW, the tutorial is awesome - thx! it looks very similar to the vSphere Client & VMware's interface.
 

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Hi there
The problem with Hyper-V currently in W8 is that the equivalent of VBOX additions / vmware vmtools is not yet available (or doesn't seem installable yet on the Guest OS i.e the VM).

These programs refine the Video / Mouse / audio. Without these you've only got the Base functionality --which is limited graphics and no audio.

For a server used in a work environment Audio isn't probably much of an issue but decent graphics certainly would be.

Wait for W8 beta or RTM for a fix to this.

Slightly OT however :

Incidentally I didn't have trouble when CONVERTING a W7 VM from vmware workstation to vmware Esxi (rel 5) -- audio on that platform worked fine.

BUT when I tried to install a brand new Guest W7 directly on Esxi (rel 5 - rel 4 was always OK) I couldn't get a squeak out of the audio so MS isn't alone in this problem it seems.

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I've noticed that Hyper-V looks like it was ripped from Server 2008 and put into Windows 8. Hopefully and most likely it will mature. YAY!
 

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Happy New Year

Not trying to Cross Post but my other thread on this topic shows that you can't install vmware workstation / player and Hyper-V on the same Windows 8 Host. This is a bit of a problem since presumably a WORKSTATION is wanted to be used as a development machine ( especially as W8 is the DEVELOPER edition).

This IMO needs to be fixed as people DO want to try out different scenarios on a DEVELOPMENT machine -- after all that's what it's supposed to be for !!!.

Cheers
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Hi there
Happy New Year

Not trying to Cross Post but my other thread on this topic shows that you can't install vmware workstation / player and Hyper-V on the same Windows 8 Host. This is a bit of a problem since presumably a WORKSTATION is wanted to be used as a development machine ( especially as W8 is the DEVELOPER edition).

This IMO needs to be fixed as people DO want to try out different scenarios on a DEVELOPMENT machine -- after all that's what it's supposed to be for !!!.

Cheers
jimbo

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The beta will show the future of Win8 as a development machine as you say :)

Cheers,
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if you install Hyper-V first you can then install Workstation but not the other way around. you just can't run multiple HV's at the same time (i think).
 

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