Five reasons why the Windows desktop isn't going away

At least Ed Bott is optimistic for the desktop, Ed Bott is a well respected journalist and he seems to be optimistic that the desktop is not going to disappear. That, at least, is comforting.


The speculation on the next version of Windows (code-named Blue) is getting out of hand. Based on a few screenshots and one offhand remark from a prominent Windows blogger, one of my colleagues is convinced that the Windows desktop is an endangered species. Nope. Not gonna happen.

Read more at source:
Five reasons why the Windows desktop isn't going away | ZDNet
 
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Right, I am on Mint Mate too (after several years with Ubuntu). One has to get prepared for the future. Windows is out, Mint is in.
 

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Right, I am on Mint Mate too (after several years with Ubuntu). One has to get prepared for the future. Windows is out, Mint is in.
You are literally in the small niche minority.
 

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    Crosshair V Formula-Z
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Canonical has the same goal (unified GUI in all computer sectors) with Ubuntu Unity
The problem is that the Unity UI is not the yellow of the egg either. There are much nicer UIs in Linux land. But they are not as agressive with marketing them as Canonical.

Example: Home | Canonical

Agreed.

Even though Unity's better than Metro, I swapped to Linux Mint MATE, because I found Unity (and GNOME 3) to be horrible.

I agree with you Coke with the exception of some who absolutely refuse to see the improvement.

You can't see something that is invisible or non-existent.

What improvements does it bring to a desktop without a Touch input device?

Two Device Managers (one of which is basically useless)?
Two Control Panels (one of which is basically useless)?
A "Start Menu" that blocks the entire screen?
1. Hybrid Boot
2. Windows Defender built in
3. New Task Manager
4. Storage Spaces
5. Improve system resource management
6. Automatic Maintenance
7. Improved Action Center
8. Less dialog box pop ups to confirm if you want to delete a file
9. File Explorer Ribbon (for those that do a lot of file management, FAR superior than 7, no case or argument)
10. Improved dual monitor support
11. Much more improved device driver support and installation
12. Better file copy times and a new file copy/paste dialog box
13. Native USB 3.0 support
14. Most flexible UI that all the H8ers out there vehemently do not understand how to use, the Start Screen.
 

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Most flexible UI that all the H8ers out there vehemently do not understand how to use, the Start Screen.

It is because they cannot understand.:sarc:
 

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1. Hybrid Boot
2. Windows Defender built in
3. New Task Manager
4. Storage Spaces
5. Improve system resource management
6. Automatic Maintenance
7. Improved Action Center
8. Less dialog box pop ups to confirm if you want to delete a file
9. File Explorer Ribbon (for those that do a lot of file management, FAR superior than 7, no case or argument)
10. Improved dual monitor support
11. Much more improved device driver support and installation
12. Better file copy times and a new file copy/paste dialog box
13. Native USB 3.0 support
14. Most flexible UI that all the H8ers out there vehemently do not understand how to use, the Start Screen

Nice list. I give you 3, 5 and 12. Would be nice to have that in /7. The rest I can care less. And #6 I have just disabled. Here is how:


1. write schedule on the Start menu
2. in the search options on the right click on Settings
3. click on Schedule Tasks on the left
4. double click on Task scheduler library (top left)
5. Then drill down Microsoft > Windows > Task Scheduler
5. on the right, right click on Regular Maintenance > Disable
6. Same for Idle Maintenance above
 

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1. Hybrid Boot
2. Windows Defender built in
3. New Task Manager
4. Storage Spaces
5. Improve system resource management
6. Automatic Maintenance
7. Improved Action Center
8. Less dialog box pop ups to confirm if you want to delete a file
9. File Explorer Ribbon (for those that do a lot of file management, FAR superior than 7, no case or argument)
10. Improved dual monitor support
11. Much more improved device driver support and installation
12. Better file copy times and a new file copy/paste dialog box
13. Native USB 3.0 support
14. Most flexible UI that all the H8ers out there vehemently do not understand how to use, the Start Screen

Nice list. I give you 3, 5 and 12. Would be nice to have that in /7. The rest I can care less. And #6 I have just disabled. Here is how:


1. write schedule on the Start menu
2. in the search options on the right click on Settings
3. click on Schedule Tasks on the left
4. double click on Task scheduler library (top left)
5. Then drill down Microsoft > Windows > Task Scheduler
5. on the right, right click on Regular Maintenance > Disable
6. Same for Idle Maintenance above
Oh, and there is:
15. Better Automatic Repair
16. Improved UI for Advanced Repair
17. Less "nitty gritty" screens when updating Windows at restart and when disk check is running pre-boot mode
18. VASTLY improved hard drive checking, Windows automatically checks a new drive for errors and reports it to Action Center that actually notifies the user about that.
19. Windows 8 is eligible for more frequent updates, such as the new NT kernel 6.3 and better system resource management among other things.

I don't have Automatic Maintenance disabled, as I have it run daily. Keeps my PC running top notch.
 

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    16 gig DDR3
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    ASUS R9 270
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    1440x900
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    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
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    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
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I don't have Automatic Maintenance disabled, as I have it run daily. Keeps my PC running top notch
Especially as it defrags your SSD every day, LOL
 

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I think the Desktop will disappear when most of the "four million desktop apps" used (seems like a high figure to me) are written in the Modern interface. I'm guestimating five years. It will remain a portal to the Modern UI until then.

I still cant see AutoCAD, ArcGIS and a dozen of scientific and math softwares that I use working productively in a Metro interface. I think that five years is a small time frame for that. Don't get me wrong. I like Metro, but there's much to be done in the next years to retire desktop.

Especially as it defrags your SSD every day, LOL

It's disabled here too. Defrag a SSD is pointless because of wear leveling techniques used in current SSDs. In the end of the day data will still be fragmented and you will have consumed precious write cicles.
 

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I don't have Automatic Maintenance disabled, as I have it run daily. Keeps my PC running top notch
Especially as it defrags your SSD every day, LOL
I don't think that does in Windows 8... It optimizes it, but that I think is the junk removal from the flash.

You can actually go into the Disk Defragger and change the settings to run manually or weekly. I have mine set daily as I'm still on those antiquated spinner drives and it annoys me when there is slow down somewhere. Defragging helps.

But as much as hard drives are old (the technology premise pretty much lies with vinyl records, magnetic drives are decades and decades old) they're cheapish and hold a LOT of stuff.
 

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    x2 3 TB Toshibas
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I think the Desktop will disappear when most of the "four million desktop apps" used (seems like a high figure to me) are written in the Modern interface. I'm guestimating five years. It will remain a portal to the Modern UI until then.

I still cant see AutoCAD, ArcGIS and a dozen of scientific and math softwares that I use working productively in a Metro interface. I think that five years is a small time frame for that. Don't get me wrong. I like Metro, but there's much to be done in the next years to retire desktop.

Especially as it defrags your SSD every day, LOL

It's disabled here too. Defrag a SSD is pointless because of wear leveling techniques used in current SSDs. In the end of the day data will still be fragmented and you will have consumed precious write cicles.

I can see it happening, it will require a new UI design from it is right now, such as Ribbon to Radial menu design. The app command bar won't be used as one, AutoCAD has hundreds and hundreds of commands that will NEVER fit on the app command bar; and two, it will get tedious to do that. The OneNote MX app on Windows 8 has the Radial menu design that works REAL nicely for commands like that. Playing around with it, it is cool. Each Ribbon tab in AutoCAD could be turned into a Radial menu, where all the individual commands within that tab are there.

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I think the Desktop will disappear when most of the "four million desktop apps" used (seems like a high figure to me) are written in the Modern interface. I'm guestimating five years. It will remain a portal to the Modern UI until then.

I still cant see AutoCAD, ArcGIS and a dozen of scientific and math softwares that I use working productively in a Metro interface. I think that five years is a small time frame for that. Don't get me wrong. I like Metro, but there's much to be done in the next years to retire desktop.

All of those would be ideal if redesigned for a modern/touchscreen interface.

AutoCAD especially was designed in the era of nerds with a dogeared copy of Lord of the Rings in their back pocket wishing they could be just like Gandalf and have their supersecret book of spells(commands) that they could wield. Its also why learning the ins and outs of AutoCAD can take a while to master.

It can be very powerful if you do, but the tool would become accessible to a lot more people with a real thoughtout interface. Even these days, CAD tools tend to be constrained by people that cannot think outside of the box of the GIMP desktop interface. Never saw a button they didn't like or a drop-down menu they couldn't pile added features onto.

And of course, every one of them thinks thats the best and only possible way to effectively interact with a tool. Everything else is rubbish of course, but then they've never seen or used better.
 

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I think the Desktop will disappear when most of the "four million desktop apps" used (seems like a high figure to me) are written in the Modern interface. I'm guestimating five years. It will remain a portal to the Modern UI until then.

I still cant see AutoCAD, ArcGIS and a dozen of scientific and math softwares that I use working productively in a Metro interface. I think that five years is a small time frame for that. Don't get me wrong. I like Metro, but there's much to be done in the next years to retire desktop.

All of those would be ideal if redesigned for a modern/touchscreen interface.

AutoCAD especially was designed in the era of nerds with a dogeared copy of Lord of the Rings in their back pocket wishing they could be just like Gandalf and have their supersecret book of spells(commands) that they could wield. Its also why learning the ins and outs of AutoCAD can take a while to master.

It can be very powerful if you do, but the tool would become accessible to a lot more people with a real thoughtout interface. Even these days, CAD tools tend to be constrained by people that cannot think outside of the box of the GIMP desktop interface. Never saw a button they didn't like or a drop-down menu they couldn't pile added features onto.

And of course, every one of them thinks thats the best and only possible way to effectively interact with a tool. Everything else is rubbish of course, but then they've never seen or used better.
Holy hell yeah.... AutoCAD takes learning and then a few years to master. But the results are amazing though, it's quite something. It's also like with Photoshop, that and AutoCAD have legitimate college courses in order to master them as they're that intensive.

But if I should say, the Ribbon in AutoCAD SUCKS. There are always without doubt several commands that don't fit within the Ribbon tab, such as Draw. It ends up being a drop down menu of sorts. Then there are the redundant tabs that show up in Home and Annotate, and the others as well.... It's not designed too well I believe. You can't mouse scroll through the tabs, only if you click on one of them and THEN be able to. That's ALWAYS been a pain in my crotch.

I say Radial menu!
 

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I still cant see AutoCAD, ArcGIS and a dozen of scientific and math softwares that I use working productively in a Metro interface. I think that five years is a small time frame for that. Don't get me wrong. I like Metro, but there's much to be done in the next years to retire desktop.

All of those would be ideal if redesigned for a modern/touchscreen interface.

AutoCAD especially was designed in the era of nerds with a dogeared copy of Lord of the Rings in their back pocket wishing they could be just like Gandalf and have their supersecret book of spells(commands) that they could wield. Its also why learning the ins and outs of AutoCAD can take a while to master.

It can be very powerful if you do, but the tool would become accessible to a lot more people with a real thoughtout interface. Even these days, CAD tools tend to be constrained by people that cannot think outside of the box of the GIMP desktop interface. Never saw a button they didn't like or a drop-down menu they couldn't pile added features onto.

And of course, every one of them thinks thats the best and only possible way to effectively interact with a tool. Everything else is rubbish of course, but then they've never seen or used better.
Holy hell yeah.... AutoCAD takes learning and then a few years to master. But the results are amazing though, it's quite something. It's also like with Photoshop, that and AutoCAD have legitimate college courses in order to master them as they're that intensive.

But if I should say, the Ribbon in AutoCAD SUCKS. There are always without doubt several commands that don't fit within the Ribbon tab, such as Draw. It ends up being a drop down menu of sorts. Then there are the redundant tabs that show up in Home and Annotate, and the others as well.... It's not designed too well I believe. You can't mouse scroll through the tabs, only if you click on one of them and THEN be able to. That's ALWAYS been a pain in my crotch.

I say Radial menu!

You're still thinking inside the box. The box being that you have an object upon which work is to be done, and a set of commands that you can issue to modify it in a desired manner. You can pile those into drop-down menus, Radial Menus, a Ribbon, Buttons on a toolbar, or off a command-line. But you're still providing a static linear set of commands available at all times.

The way a touch and the Modern interface works is that you interact directly(either through touch or mouse) with an object on the right, and you're provided a set of commands and controls based on what you select or what you do on the left. So lets say you select something with a drawing, say a vertex. A vertex isn't an entire object, so what you might want to do with that vertex is limited to those comands which manipulate a vertex. If you selected an entire object, what you might want to do with that object is completely different. The key is to provide a limited list of the most common things you want to do with that vertex or object.

Lets say you select the side of a wireframe cube, a logical command i'll simply pull from my rear would be to add a texture to that side. As i always tell people... touch properly done turns the entire program inside out. In a traditional UI, you issue the command, select a texture, and then the object is the last thing you interact with and you select the side. In a touch UI, you select the side.. are provided the options of what you can do with that side, and then apply a texture.

The reason this is key is that by turning the program inside out, you only have a finite ammount of logical commands that you want to do with any discrete portion of the object that can be selected, and those operations that cannot be done, can be dropped entirely until they are needed. In this way the interface becomes a lot more simplified because you don't have toolbars all over the screen or have to plow down through menus to find the most obvious commands based on what you've selected. At the same time, if you select something on the left.. like Move.. the entire list alters now that it knows that you want to move the object. Based on a path? Free dragging? To a specific location? And so on.

The big problem Modern Interface has is nobody really understands the power of it yet, even most developers. It won't be until they break out of their mind set with some quality Apps and Applications that have been redesigned to use it that people suddenly start to understand exactly why its so groundbreaking. It isn't just for kicks.. it isn't just for show.. it really does provide a far more efficient and easier to understand way of doing things. But programs have to be specifically built for it to really take advantage of what it can actually do.
 

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1. Hybrid Boot

Didn't use it (I don't use the old style "Hibernate" either).
It's no better than "Sleep" on a desktop.

When I turn my PC off, I want it off.
I don't want it remembering stuff, like malware that was running (unnoticed) in the RAM.

2. Windows Defender built in

Maybe a benefit, if it is actually the best AV.

3. New Task Manager

Process Explorer is still better.

4. Storage Spaces

Didn't use it.
I don't trust it either (People are still posting comments about problems with Dynamic Discs).

5. Improve system resource management

I have stated many times that W8 has improved resource management (here and on SevenForums).

8. Less dialog box pop ups to confirm if you want to delete a file

That's not an improvement at all.
Vista(?) and W7 got rid of confirmation dialogs for "Read-only" files, which was a stupid idea.

9. File Explorer Ribbon (for those that do a lot of file management, FAR superior than 7, no case or argument)

If you like the "Ribbon".
Let's face it, all that the "Ribbon" does is restore the menus and toolbars, that Vista and Windows 7 inexplicably got rid of (compared to XP).

If you actually do "... a lot of file management, ...", 3rd party file managers are generally superior to Windows/File Explorer.

10. Improved dual monitor support

Debatable.
People are still posting about multi-monitor problems.

11. Much more improved device driver support and installation

Debatable.
People are still posting about driver problems, including drivers that worked in W7.

12. Better file copy times and a new file copy/paste dialog box

I haven't seen the performance comparisons (XP vs Vista vs W7 vs W8) so I can't say either way.
The pretty graph doesn't impress me.

"Pause" is OK though.

13. Native USB 3.0 support

OK.

14. Most flexible UI that all the H8ers out there vehemently do not understand how to use, the Start Screen.

Not an improvement on a desktop without a Touch input device.

It's like trying to use the Android Phone UI on my Nootec A9 Media Box.
It's a nightmare to use with the supplied remote control.
It requires a keyboard and mouse (wireless or USB) connected to be usable (or the optional wireless keyboard with scratchpad).
I suppose you could buy a Touchscreen TV (blech!).
 
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@ chrisa

Just to let you know that your post didn't get unnoticed. I'm not that knowledgeable to understand all that you said, but I get the gist of it. I don't understand quantum mechanics either, but I know it exists.

I always had a feeling that the "big change" MS made with the new interface was more than what meets the eye. More to it than just "taking our precious Start Menu away". A whole new approach to computing. Rather ingenious IMO.
 

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Coke, The Start Menu is symbolical (frankly we can survive without it). But their refusal to bring it back was realy Microsoft's saying "we rule, we decide. You don't".
 

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All of those would be ideal if redesigned for a modern/touchscreen interface.

AutoCAD especially was designed in the era of nerds with a dogeared copy of Lord of the Rings in their back pocket wishing they could be just like Gandalf and have their supersecret book of spells(commands) that they could wield. Its also why learning the ins and outs of AutoCAD can take a while to master.

It can be very powerful if you do, but the tool would become accessible to a lot more people with a real thoughtout interface. Even these days, CAD tools tend to be constrained by people that cannot think outside of the box of the GIMP desktop interface. Never saw a button they didn't like or a drop-down menu they couldn't pile added features onto.

And of course, every one of them thinks thats the best and only possible way to effectively interact with a tool. Everything else is rubbish of course, but then they've never seen or used better.
Holy hell yeah.... AutoCAD takes learning and then a few years to master. But the results are amazing though, it's quite something. It's also like with Photoshop, that and AutoCAD have legitimate college courses in order to master them as they're that intensive.

But if I should say, the Ribbon in AutoCAD SUCKS. There are always without doubt several commands that don't fit within the Ribbon tab, such as Draw. It ends up being a drop down menu of sorts. Then there are the redundant tabs that show up in Home and Annotate, and the others as well.... It's not designed too well I believe. You can't mouse scroll through the tabs, only if you click on one of them and THEN be able to. That's ALWAYS been a pain in my crotch.

I say Radial menu!

You're still thinking inside the box. The box being that you have an object upon which work is to be done, and a set of commands that you can issue to modify it in a desired manner. You can pile those into drop-down menus, Radial Menus, a Ribbon, Buttons on a toolbar, or off a command-line. But you're still providing a static linear set of commands available at all times.

The way a touch and the Modern interface works is that you interact directly(either through touch or mouse) with an object on the right, and you're provided a set of commands and controls based on what you select or what you do on the left. So lets say you select something with a drawing, say a vertex. A vertex isn't an entire object, so what you might want to do with that vertex is limited to those comands which manipulate a vertex. If you selected an entire object, what you might want to do with that object is completely different. The key is to provide a limited list of the most common things you want to do with that vertex or object.

Lets say you select the side of a wireframe cube, a logical command i'll simply pull from my rear would be to add a texture to that side. As i always tell people... touch properly done turns the entire program inside out. In a traditional UI, you issue the command, select a texture, and then the object is the last thing you interact with and you select the side. In a touch UI, you select the side.. are provided the options of what you can do with that side, and then apply a texture.

The reason this is key is that by turning the program inside out, you only have a finite ammount of logical commands that you want to do with any discrete portion of the object that can be selected, and those operations that cannot be done, can be dropped entirely until they are needed. In this way the interface becomes a lot more simplified because you don't have toolbars all over the screen or have to plow down through menus to find the most obvious commands based on what you've selected. At the same time, if you select something on the left.. like Move.. the entire list alters now that it knows that you want to move the object. Based on a path? Free dragging? To a specific location? And so on.

The big problem Modern Interface has is nobody really understands the power of it yet, even most developers. It won't be until they break out of their mind set with some quality Apps and Applications that have been redesigned to use it that people suddenly start to understand exactly why its so groundbreaking. It isn't just for kicks.. it isn't just for show.. it really does provide a far more efficient and easier to understand way of doing things. But programs have to be specifically built for it to really take advantage of what it can actually do.
Yeah, which I'm basically saying with the Radian menu. I posted a few screenshots of OneNote MX and its radial menu. You tap or highlight some text, a small circle with an A in it shows up, tap or click that, and text commands appear in the radial. No other commands BUT text manipulation show up. Same thing if you hit a table, you get table commands. There is no Ribbon that has greyed out options or anything, a Radial only shows the relevant commands based upon what is selected by the user. From what you've described, that is essentially how the Radial "menu" design works, if this were a wireframe cube: you select the cube, tap the Radial menu icon that appears, issue the command, apply the texture. Then if you want to modify said texture, tap that, tap the Hatch icon that would show up, modify it.
 

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    Crosshair V Formula-Z
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