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Before you Dual Boot - The truth about MS, OEM's & Linux

  1. #11


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    I disagree. The manufacturer should clearly mark the capabilities of their products. And if runs Windows only, it should say in the specs.

    My $1200 Vaio could not even run a Linux live CD - and there was no mention at all in the specs. That is unacceptable. That's why I RMAd it.

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  2. #12


    Portsmouth Hants
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    I doubt that you can expect a Hardware manufacturer to test all available OS flavours for compatibility - they test the market that they are selling to, which mostly is Windows oriented. I also doubt even more that Linux developers can test all available PC platforms for compatibility. Occasionally there will be a total mismatch, which Wolfgang unfortunately discovered, to the loss of all three parties. I'm glad it worked out in a way the end, and sad it took so long. I doubt that Sony is that bothered, though

    As far as HP are concerned they have a tailored blanket response for the HP Pavilion g7-2251dx Notebook PC and Linux - here:
    Frequently Asked Questions About Linux (FAQs) HP Pavilion g7-2251dx Notebook PC | HP® Support


    -which does not say too much but hints that Linux would be compatible, but don't quote them.
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  3. #13


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    Hmm, if I buy a $1200 product, I want to know what it can do. Different Linux flavors do not act different in that regard. If they test 2 or 3, they can be pretty sure that they all run. And nobody expects Android or Snow Leopard to run that easily - with Snow Leopard they would get in trouble with Apple anyhow.

    Btw: Here is the whole Sony Vaio saga: Sony does not care about their customers - Windows 7 Forums
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post
    One reason all PC's that come preinstalled with a Microsoft operating system is cheaper than regular laptop is that Microsoft subsidizes the cost of the hardware. This amounts to being paid off in my book. It's a legal bribe.
    Hi there. A few questions. In what way does MS subsidize hardware? Is this by means of discounted OS keys?

    In regards to your dual boot dilemma so that I have this right. Is it that you weren't told that might not possibly be able to dual boot another OS because of UEFI that upsets you?

    First thoughts, not that I've come to a conclusion yet. One buys a specific machine that a specific OS is preloaded. Isn't it in the warrantee that if one alters the machine in any way that it voids the warrantee? It would be like someone taking the engine out of a Ford and installing a Volvo engine in and then expecting Ford to continue guaranteeing it. Yes?
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post
    One reason all PC's that come preinstalled with a Microsoft operating system is cheaper than regular laptop is that Microsoft subsidizes the cost of the hardware. This amounts to being paid off in my book. It's a legal bribe.
    Hi there. A few questions. In what way does MS subsidize hardware? Is this by means of discounted OS keys?

    In regards to your dual boot dilemma so that I have this right. Is it that you weren't told that might not possibly be able to dual boot another OS because of UEFI that upsets you?

    First thoughts, not that I've come to a conclusion yet. One buys a specific machine that a specific OS is preloaded. Isn't it in the warrantee that if one alters the machine in any way that it voids the warrantee? It would be like someone taking the engine out of a Ford and installing a Volvo engine in and then expecting Ford to continue guaranteeing it. Yes?

    so thats like saying you couldn't replace your HD without voiding your warranty?

    People purchase systems with pre-installed os because thats all that is sold in stores locally to them and the prices are usually cheap, in their eyes.

    As consumers, we should all realize that pre-assembled machines have and will always have major limitations.

    I for one wont purchase a system where the os is married to the hardware
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  6. #16


    I agree, if the product flat out won't run something you should let people know. it's crazy to expect people to google everything and read forums and posts and such to try to ascertain whether something might work or not.

    It's been extremely rare that I have ever had anything that Linux would not run on. i don't google all that often to see if something is going to work, I've more or less grown accustomed the fact that it will. I don't think people in these circumstances are to blame for "not doing their homework".
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  7. #17


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I agree, if the product flat out won't run something you should let people know. it's crazy to expect people to google everything and read forums and posts and such to try to ascertain whether something might work or not.

    It's been extremely rare that I have ever had anything that Linux would not run on. i don't google all that often to see if something is going to work, I've more or less grown accustomed the fact that it will. I don't think people in these circumstances are to blame for "not doing their homework".
    Especially as they come out with a new model every week. Often you cannot even find info about a certain model because it has only been on the market for a few days. 4 weeks and it is already 'old technology' - especially for laptops. That's what a sales manager at BestBuy once told me. That's why it is the damn responsibility of the manufacturer to tell you all the limitations.
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  8. #18


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    It is really funny that people really think that a Manufacture should do it their way or nothing. If you want it a specific way then buy the parts and build it so that you can use a specific OS. Do you go to Apple to buy an iMac and think that Apple should set it up to run whatever OS you want, No. But, you think that all the others should.

    Virtual Machines can be your friend, and allow you to run any OS you like without to much of a problem. So, why not use one remember Virtual Box is free. Also, VMWare Play is free, and there are hundreds of virtual appliances out their in the wild.
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  9. #19


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Lee, How do you run a live Linux CD in a virtual machine - e.g. for recovering data from a dead system.

    Would you buy a car that can only drive in 3 counties.
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  10. #20


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    . . .Would you buy a car that can only drive in 3 counties. . . .. . .
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