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Windows 8 really isn't that bad

  1. #71


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I still use Vista.

    I think there issues at the beginning - lack of 3rd party driver support.

    People were plugging in 5 yr old printers and the like , then getting mad when they didn't work. Probably because the printer manufacturer couldn't be bothered to provide drivers - and why should they?

    Would have been better if MS had provided slider controls for the rather over enthusiastic uac - and for shadowstorage.

    In other respects , a very fine o/s.

    64 bit Vista runs beautifully on my 5yr old machine with 2gb ram.

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  2. #72


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    RE: The Fairy Wand

    At first it would just pop out apparently at random.

    MS have tried to tuck it away to prevent that.

    I agree - you have to fish about for the thing - but it's better than having it putting in an appearance whenever the fancy takes it.

    If you don't like edge UI - there are programs that will disable it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Frank1 View Post
    OK--I'll admit it, I'm starting to like it and maybe I'llupgrade. Not sure yet, but I might. There is one thing that ticks me off. WhenI hover my mouse pointer in one of the corners, it's supposed to bring up theMetro or whatever it's called; or maybe it's called the Charm. But what I don'tlike is the fact that it doesn't always work the first time. Sometimes I haveto keep moving it around to bring it up. Maybe I'm not doing it right. Hasanyone else run into that and know of a way to make it more consistent?
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  3. #73


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I still use Vista.

    I think there issues at the beginning - lack of 3rd party driver support.

    People were plugging in 5 yr old printers and the like , then getting mad when they didn't work. Probably because the printer manufacturer couldn't be bothered to provide drivers - and why should they?

    Would have been better if MS had provided slider controls for the rather over enthusiastic uac - and for shadowstorage.

    In other respects , a very fine o/s.

    64 bit Vista runs beautifully on my 5yr old machine with 2gb ram.
    I agree.

    I have Vista (the x64) on an older laptop too and works very well.
    One you get to SP2 it's solid, it's almost Win7, just the UI differs.
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  4. #74


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    You can in fact get rid of all that useless fiffle from win8 -boot straight to desktop - none of that start screen and edge ui stuff.

    Then what are you left with?

    A shadow of a desktop o/s that is awful to look at.

    I don't know what we are expecting.

    It is an o/s for Tablets.

    It is not for a proper desktop/laptop. It never was.

    It probably works well on a tablet - I wouldn't know.

    Of course, it is possible to run it on a proper machine - but it is also possible to rake the garden with a dining fork.
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  5. #75


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    You can in fact get rid of all that useless fiffle from win8 -boot straight to desktop - none of that edge ui stuff.

    Then what are you left with?

    A shadow of a desktop o/s that is awful to look at.

    I don't know what we are expecting.

    It is an o/s for Tablets.

    It is not for a proper desktop/laptop. It never was.

    It probably works well on a tablet - I wouldn't know.

    Of course, it is possible to run it on a proper machine - but it is also possible to rake the garden with a dining fork.

    Wonderful comments.. Get ready for yet another post to follow, about how all you have to do to get the leaves raked up properly with that fork, is get down on your hands and knees and duck tape the fork to your hand. Walla.. See, now it performs just like a rake..
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  6. #76


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Gentlemen, lets get it right the BEST O/S to come out of Redmond was NT4! Bar none.
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  7. #77


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Gentlemen, lets get it right the BEST O/S to come out of Redmond was NT4! Bar none.
    Really?

    To be honest, I never used it (how is it look like? I guess Win 2000??).

    And there may be other posts following saying that Win 95 was the best OS...
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  8. #78


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    XP really was the very best OS for it's time. I mean it lasted 6 years without a major update! It melded the rock solid stability of Windows 2000 with the useful user fluff like plesent graphics in the UI and Direct X so you could play games etc. Windows reached a utopia at that point in time.

    Windows 7 is, in the new age, the very best version of Windows. Good if not revolutionary UI. Supremely usable, did everything and did it well.

    We'll see where Win 8 winds up on the windows pile in a year or two...
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  9. #79


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke
    I don't get how it's counterproductive to have your Desktop windows as they, go to the Start Screen, and start a new program and quickly get back to the Desktop as you left it.
    It's counterproductive (or annoying) because the Start Screen is totaly concealing the work space. It's creating a cognitive displacement. Some poeple (including myself) experience this: They repair something, then they need to go to another room to fetch a screwdriver. They go to the other room and there they completely forgot why they went there for. Back to the workshop, they remembre they needed a screwdriver and return to the other room to finaly fetch the screwdriver. This is a perfectly normal psychological phenomenon. Same with the W8 Start Screen, you go to another space (and Microsoft does makes sure it looks like another space and makes abundantly clear it is) to fetch a tool. Everytime you go back and forth from Metro to Desktop, your brain makes an inconcious but sometimes concious effort to recontextualize. This doesn't happen with the classsic Start Menu because it only displays collumns of icons. You remain visualy in your work context. You are not taken away to another background.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke
    I don't understand how that's a huge problem
    Moreover, you now have to deal with two working spaces instead of one: The Metro/W8 UI with its own applications and its own logic and the Desktop with also its own applications and its own logic. Poeple have been enough complaining that there is no interractivity between the two, that you don't even know which programs are running in Metro, that the Metro Start Screen can pop up at any time, especialy at the least expected moment, that you can't open the same softwares in the two environements, that you even need two different versions of IE etc. It's like dual booting W7/Commodore64 but both OSes boot at once and you need to constantly move from one to amother because you can't do all operations in W7. IMO it will be more productive to be able to do everything on W7.2, aka. W8 without Metro.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke
    If the Start Screen is what bugs you, ok, great.
    If at least the Start Screen could leave the Taskbar visible, it would already be much simplier, much easier to understand and with time going, to adopt. (I think that a resize and a minimize is asking too much. ...Isn't it?)
    But going to the Start Screen from the Desktop isn't like walking through a door opening.... There isn't really anything physical there that makes you forget what you were doing, at least for me. If I'm working on some photos, I go to Start, scroll over a bit and open up Photoshop on the Desktop while still being able to see what windows I have open to compare two photos side by side. I guess I don't forget anything.

    As I see it, the Start Screen is taking the tradition Desktop's purpose of hosting program icons and putting that layer on top. These days, the Desktop is being used more and more as a nice picture background with icons pinned to the Taskbar instead of the Desktop. Now, if you had a few windows open, it would be a pain to click on the Show Desktop button, minimize EVERYTHING as to open one program or folder. Then to restore those windows, you need to manually do that. More clicks, more time, more tediousness. Now, that's where the Start Screen's concept comes in. Instead of doing all that, it takes the Desktop, slips it out from the bottom layer and puts in on top of everything when you go to it. So that way, windows stay open and right where they are. That's how I see, if that makes any sense.

    But as for the start menu, that argument/debate has been long done and the simple conclusion is that a considerable amount of users don't use it to its fullest extent. On a side tangent, if Windows 8 had to traditional UI, it was stagnate like the mac os. You really can't develop anything better or worthwhile anymore. Windows 7 was the perfect OS and 8 is a beginning of a new series. You can't take Windows 7, made some UI elements prettier/better and call it Windows 8 and ask for 200 dollars to install it. I mean, if you go to the Customization forum and go to Post your Start Screen, you'll see a couple people changing the UI of Start. Basically, I'm trying to get across that by using the Start Screen, there is MUCH more development potential than the menu.
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  10. #80


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    XP really was the very best OS for it's time. I mean it lasted 6 years without a major update! It melded the rock solid stability of Windows 2000 with the useful user fluff like plesent graphics in the UI and Direct X so you could play games etc. Windows reached a utopia at that point in time.

    Windows 7 is, in the new age, the very best version of Windows. Good if not revolutionary UI. Supremely usable, did everything and did it well.

    We'll see where Win 8 winds up on the windows pile in a year or two...
    To think that xp's graphics are pleasant today...
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