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  • $800 plus

    2 7.41%
  • $500 - $600

    6 22.22%
  • $300 - $400

    9 33.33%
  • $150 - $250

    10 37.04%
  1. #31


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    The devices I'm interested in are the Tablet with a keyboard dock, like the ASUS Transformer Prime. A tablet when you want it and a Netbook like device when you want a real keyboard.

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  2. #32


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I think you will find the nexus gives you access to google content - books is one area they are beefing up.

    Do you think the average user knows or cares which browser is a fraction of a per cent faster than another ?

    Quite a lot don't even know what a browser is.

    That is the gigantic market.

    There are other markets - yes - and win8 tablets will be in some of those.

    But they seem to be missing the biggie.
    If people don't really know what a browser is, let alone speed, Internet Explorer would be the ONLY browser people use!
    But seriously, people do care about browser speed as that's why some choose other browsers over other ones.

    Another selling point for Windows 8 tablets is the fact of familiarity. If you know how to use Windows Explorer, you by default, know 50 percent of a new product without even using it. For some people, probably MANY, want a tablet that has USB ports. That enables copying files through flash drives that the ipad doesn't and will never have and something that only a handful of android tablets have. Not only that, Windows is a brand that device makers will build on, so there will probably be the external DVD drives built for RT and (I'm not totally sure on this one) external hard drives for RT. All of the file management in 8 is done primarily through the Desktop, and interface people are vastly familiar with over its counterparts. The things that will need to be learned are the Start Screen, Charms, and how to interact with metro apps.

    Even more, developing for Windows RT tablets would be better than android as there is a marketplace that is regulated and checked whereas android it's anarchy, anything goes. The Windows Store provides an easy place to get apps that the user will now is free from malware whereas android can't guarantee that. And since its Windows, developers will be there to build ARM compatible apps for the Desktop app counterpart, namely bittorrent clients off the top of my head. There will also be security software as well.

    It makes it easier for the developer since the platform will be there and supported for 2-3 years until the next version and the next version will work with the older apps since the tablet hardware can support them, whereas android's platform is a crapshoot.
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  3. #33


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Well - you keep hoping.

    Just got a pint of milk from Sainsbury's.

    The guys n gals working there on the floor , in delivery, etc and all those in Tesco etc have no need of excel spreadsheets.

    Neither do the street cleaners , park attendants, the unemployed, etc.

    Don't klnow what percentage of the population that is - 50%, 70% ?

    I don't know. Whatever it is, it is huge.

    They might get a nexus type thing.

    They would not go 500 or 800.

    It really doesn't matter what anyone says - you will be convinced that every being on the planet is desperate for win8.
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  4. #34


    Posts : 299
    win 7 home premium 64 bit


    Why would I spend 500 $ of my hard earned money on a gadget that is only good as a play toy?.

    A laptop still makes more sense.

    Actually I wouldn't spend 100 bucks on a tablet.
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  5. #35


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Well - you keep hoping.

    Just got a pint of milk from Sainsbury's.

    The guys n gals working there on the floor , in delivery, etc and all those in Tesco etc have no need of excel spreadsheets.

    Neither do the street cleaners , park attendants, the unemployed, etc.

    Don't klnow what percentage of the population that is - 50%, 70% ?

    I don't know. Whatever it is, it is huge.

    They might get a nexus type thing.

    They would not go 500 or 800.

    It really doesn't matter what anyone says - you will be convinced that every being on the planet is desperate for win8.
    I will...
    But I do know of a university 10 miles away from me and its attendants would love to use a spreadsheet or word program that is THE standard of office software, as well as an educational district near me would as well, and the self-employed that I know. But that could huge, I don't know for sure either.

    Well, if you believe people will only need low priced tablets for entertainment and web browsing, I say this. The main demographic that buys entertainment devices are the younger generations, like Gen Y and on. A trend is being noticed that the younger crowed refutes the traditions of past and would rather go more for sheer practicality than sheer brand following. Now, adding that to equation, what device at a low price point can offer practicality?

    Also, I am convinced that Windows 8 is great because if android tablets were so great, we wouldn't be here having this conversation about whether or not a simple android device can cut it as those tablets would had saturated the market and has taken its place as the prime competitor against apple's ipad in how many years since it's been out on tablets. But, the latter isn't the reality and if people really wanted a low priced tablet, they would already have one and would be pleased with it, and again, the latter isn't the reality since low priced android tablets don't have what it takes to replace a Windows powered laptop in terms of capability and practicality.

    But, if a 200 dollar android tablet can be built, slap 50 dollars on that and a Windows RT tablet can respectively compete.
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  6. #36


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I do not suggest that is ALL people.

    I am suggesting it is a very significant number.

    There is no doubt there is a gigantic market for sub $300 devices.

    So far there is no sign that Windows will be in that market.

    ( Even if some oem's are able to scrape something into that bracket - they will not be able compete on device quality because of the license fee. )

    It is a huge mistake.
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  7. #37


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    LOL.

    I see you do not understand business either.

    1. Do you think an increase in cost to the manufacturer of one component by $5 results in a $5 increase in the retail price ?

    Somebody enlighten him - I don't have the energy.

    2. The tablet market is relatively new. It is nowhere near saturated.That is why it is expected to grow.That is also why there haven't been decent devices at lower price points until now.

    3. It is complicated by a number of other factors - you know phones get big subsidies from the carriers ( perhaps you didn't know ).

    There is scope for that to come into play with tablets , too.

    I believe google doesn't make anything at all on the sale of the nexus devices online. They don't care - they will get the users into the google clouds. ( BTW there is no hdmi out at that price - but there is a usb port.).

    It is still early days.

    The next gen at those kind of prices will be even better.
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  8. #38


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    LOL.

    I see you do not understand business either.

    1. Do you think an increase in cost to the manufacturer of one component by $5 results in a $5 increase in the retail price ?

    Somebody enlighten him - I don't have the energy.

    2. The tablet market is relatively new. It is nowhere near saturated.That is why it is expected to grow.That is also why there haven't been decent devices at lower price points until now.

    3. It is complicated by a number of other factors - you know phones get big subsidies from the carriers ( perhaps you didn't know ).

    There is scope for that to come into play with tablets , too.

    I believe google doesn't make anything at all on the sale of the nexus devices online. They don't care - they will get the users into the google clouds. ( BTW there is no hdmi out at that price - but there is a usb port.).

    It is still early days.

    The next gen at those kind of prices will be even better.
    I do understand manufacturing, and I understand marketing and when have I ever suggested a 5 dollar increase results in 5 dollar retail? All I ever stated was that if an android tablet can be built at 200 dollars, slap 50 for the Windows license and it can stand to compete at that price point if it can be justified.

    If the tablet market is relatively new, why has the ipad saturated the name tablet in three years? Want a tablet? Get an ipad.

    Phones get subsidized? You don't say!....

    Yep, it's still the early days of true tablet competition. I find that android tablets won't be able to cut it. Oh well.
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  9. #39


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    The new Google pad for $199 to $249 will be the new benchmark. And 7" is a lot handier than these big tiles.
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  10. #40


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Hi whs,

    I might be tempted by one of those myself.

    Not just yet - they are getting better all the time.
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