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Toshiba Laptop Upgraded to W8.1 Update 1

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    Toshiba Laptop Upgraded to W8.1 Update 1


    I have "upgraded" a friends crippled Toshiba Satellite Laptop (Model #C875D-S7330) by replacing the 500GB drive with a 240GB SSD and then updating W8 that come with the Laptop to W8.1 Update 1. I used Acronis 2014 to backup the 500GB Hard Drive and Restore it to the SSD. The system has new life! It almost runs fast enough to be acceptable.

    Since all the recoverable OEM stuff on the system is now obsolete or at least I do not ever want to go through the 100+ W8 updates and then W8.1 store upgrade and then Update 1 again I am curious what hidden partitions I can delete to clean up the SSD. I have included a screen shot of the partition structure.

    W8.1.1 will only let me delete the first 450MB partition and the last 9.35GB partition. Can I use DiskPart to delete the 260MB EFI partition and the third 450MB partition? I have two desktop W8 systems set up using MBR and they only have the System Partition. The Laptop is set up with the GPT structure. I'm willing to settle on leaving the first Recovery partition and the EFI partition alone but I would like to Delete the other two recovery partitions at the end so I can add the space to the C: partition and/or create a D: for Data.

    I'm new to the "store bought systems" since I have always "built my own" so I would appreciate some input on how to proceed.
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    Can u please inform me how to
    1. Download my updates on windows 8.1 on Tuesday 5 th August
    2. How can I view or send mail from my three accounts
    Hotmail,yahoo,gmail
    Thanks
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    Ken429, you cannot delete any partitions, regardless if it is an OEM or self built. Windows 8.x.x needs all of those partitions to properly run.
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    Win 8.1 Pro x64


    You should for sure keep the EFI (boot) partition and the hidden MSR partition. You should also keep the first (on the left) System Recovery partition. I'm not sure why there is an additional Recovery partition of the same size after C:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsoni View Post
    Can u please inform me how to
    1. Download my updates on windows 8.1 on Tuesday 5 th August
    2. How can I view or send mail from my three accounts
    Hotmail,yahoo,gmail
    Thanks
    1. Control panel > Windows update > Check for updates if it's not set to do automatically. You'll get Important and Recommended updates.
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    W.8.1 Pro Update 1


    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jpsoni View Post
    Can u please inform me how to
    1. Download my updates on windows 8.1 on Tuesday 5 th August
    2. How can I view or send mail from my three accounts
    Hotmail,yahoo,gmail
    Thanks
    1. Control panel > Windows update > Check for updates if it's not set to do automatically. You'll get Important and Recommended updates.
    My thread got hijacked but I'll throw in my experience anyway. I had all kinds of trouble trying to let W8 update the 100+ updates automatically. It would run for hours and then say there was an error and back them all out. I ended up installing them a few at a time until I found the one that was causing the conflict. I installed that update by itself and W8 finally installed all 100+ updates (manually 10 at a time to play it safe in case I found another conflict)! Frustrating, especially on a Laptop that is very Slow..... Actually that's what made me take out the Hard Drive and upgrade it to an SSD.

    Ken429
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronster View Post
    You should for sure keep the EFI (boot) partition and the hidden MSR partition. You should also keep the first (on the left) System Recovery partition. I'm not sure why there is an additional Recovery partition of the same size after C:
    Yeah, that's what I thought but I don't understand why W8 will let me delete the first Recovery Partition (first on the left) and not the third Recovery Partition (third from the left). I suspect that Acronis 2014 did something that created the third Recovery Partition but W8 acts like that's the one it's using?!

    "Boot files (including NTLDR, boot manager and the BCD data) are in the EFI System Partition (ESP). The MSR (Microsoft Reserved) partition is simply 128 MB of empty space reserved by Microsoft because they wanted to leave room to convert a basic partition to a dynamic partition in future and the UEFI partition specification does not permit gaps between partitions.

    Microsoft say the MSR is required on a GPT bootable drive but not needed on a secondary data drive. However the Windows Disk Manager seems to always create ESP and MSR partitions just in case you make the drive bootable in future. It should be safe to delete them provided that you can expand the data partition so that there is no gap.
    If you do leave a gap your partitions will not be compliant with the UEFI standard and It is possible that some disk utilities may see the gap as the end of useful data, and then decide to overwrite any partitions after the gap!"

    I found this explanation for the extra Recovery Partition Googling my problem. Seems to make sense on why they are there on a GPT drive. Still don't understand why it won't let me delete the third one.

    I also finally went and looked at the original Hard Drive and it does not have a Recovery Partition in front of the OEM Partition.

    So...it looks like Acronis 2014 was following the GPT rules (above) and went and created the extra Recovery Partition ahead of the OEM Partition when I "cloned" the Hard Drive to the SSD.

    Ken429
    Last edited by Ken429; 05 Aug 2014 at 04:50.
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    Windows 10


    Before upgrade to Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store, you do not need to install all Windows 8 updates from Windows Update. You only need to install KB2871389 update, then you’ll be able to install the Windows 8.1 update via the Windows Store. Download and install KB2871389 update from link or from Windows Update.

    KB2871389 (direct download link)
    - All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8: http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...871389-x86.msu
    - All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8: http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...871389-x64.msu

    But if you've opened the Windows Store and you don't see the Windows 8.1 update, then you will need to also install KB2917499 update.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronster View Post
    I'm not sure why there is an additional Recovery partition of the same size after C:
    The 450 MB partition was added during the update to Windows 8.1.

    Here is info about the new 350 MB or 450 MB recovery partition -> link
    Last edited by genet; 16 Sep 2014 at 04:16. Reason: added KB2871389 direct download link
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    W.8.1 Pro Update 1


    Thank you, for the info, I guess Acronis 2014 is not the source of the extra Recovery Partition although, when I did the restore to the SSD, Acronis flashed some message about a Partition that I ignored at the time. I suppose I could go back and repeat the process just to verify who did what. I appreciate the information on installing just the one update that gets you to the MSFT Store for W8.1. I have several desktops running W8 and I finally found a W8.1 download that I put on a USB. That works great if you have a W8 Product Key but this @#$% OEM machine adds to the problem since I don't know how to get the Product Key. Should have asked before I spent a day screwing around with all the updates! Oh well, next time.

    Back to my original question - can I delete the last two partitions on the SSD so that I can expand the OS Partition and eventually create a D: Partition? Will DiskPart do the job?
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    Last edited by genet; 04 Dec 2014 at 03:12.
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