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Did MS trade beauty for speed?

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by rafael1979 View Post
    Anyone here can probably see that Windows 7 is a lot better looking than Windows 8/8.1, at least when it comes to the desktop. Most of us Windows 8/8.1 users must have noticed that it is less resource hungry than Windows 7 not to mention faster.
    Does this mean MS has made a trade-off? Has MS ditched the good looks of W7 for some extra speed/agility on W8/8.1?

    What do you guys think?
    For the most part no.

    The lower memory footprint in Windows 8 come from improvements in the memory management system, not cut backs in functionality. The better performance comes from improvements in the OS and the ability to take better advantage of modern hardware.

    The idea that the visual effects in Windows 7 has a significant cost in performance is a misconception, at least with reasonably modern hardware. The dialog in Windows 7 that controls these options is at best misleading. In some cases turning off options will impair performance.

    See this blog by Raymond Chen, a developer with Microsoft since 1992:
    "Adjust visual effects for best performance" should really be called "Adjust visual effects for crappiest appearance" - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

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  2. #12


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend.
    Hi there

    Agreed - and if you look at some of the Stunning backgrounds on various Linux distros available you can have BOTH BEAUTY AND SPEED.

    Some like Linux Mint are light years ahead of W7 in terms of speed - while W8.1 is no slouch I do feel it could be "De-uglified" a bit -- the Plasma glass effects on the various Linuxes are good and I quite liked the old VISTA AERO.

    However some people prefer a simple plain background --so Ms has to keep a balancing act. With Linux there's choices galore for window managers - poor old Windows has to stick with one so it's a difficult call.

    As a compromise W8.1 doesn't do too badly though IMO.

    Cheers
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend.
    Agreed - and if you look at some of the Stunning backgrounds on various Linux distros available you can have BOTH BEAUTY AND SPEED.

    -- the Plasma glass effects on the various Linuxes are good and I quite liked the old VISTA AERO.
    I agree with you on this. I love the KDE desktop (which has the plasma glass effect) the most. Just saw a few screenshots of the new Gnome 3.12 desktop a while ago, and it looks extremely beautiful to me! Will try it soon.
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  4. #14


    Rio
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    Triple Boot Win7, Win8.1 and 10


    I have, as you can see, a limited machine, it has just above what's required to run Windows 7/8.1 well. And yet I'm pretty positive that if MS had made Windows 8/8.1 with all the eye candy from Windows 7 I would still be able to run it pretty well on this laptop. That's what gets me, why haven't they at least made available an option during installation for us to choose the way Windows 8/8.1 looked?
    I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I am aware of that, but I am also aware that many of the users who refuse to swap Windows 7 for 8.1 do so because of the bland looks of it. It is definitely a step back from MS, and there's no reasonable explanation why...
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  5. #15


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    don't get it myself, I never used any OS because of the way the desktop looked ,I'am sure mine still looks like win98,lol


    as for older computers not running win8.1 very well at least Microsoft gives one the chance to do so, I have a older Mac laptop running os10.6.8 ,and I cant update it to os 10.7 ,will not let me ,and im told even if I buy os10.7 it will run like crap ,so I left with 6.8, and also told that 3rd party apps and browser will like stop updates and support for 6.8
    so I guess I should learn to use and like Linux
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  6. #16


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    They did, because Aero was in fact a resource hog. In 7, it wasn't AS BAD as vista, but still. I'd rather have those resources being used for audio file converting over being wowed by a very margin slice of the Desktop UI.

    As they always say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    The way they did the Desktop of just flattening down the Taskbar and window borders and removing the transparency; basically just flattening down pieces here and there of the whole Desktop UI is just tacky. Aero from vista is mixed together with pieces of a new design philosophy. Instead, they should have done what the former Windows Mobile division did with Windows Phone; scrap all the old UI and rebuild clean from the ground up. But what we got was a cool new modern Start Screen with apps in the WinRT form being clean and modern; but hit Start and D, you're faced with what the Windows UI had to offer back in 2006.

    Going forward, I think it would be best in the whole grand scheme of things to just rebuild the whole window management system of Windows into something else.
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  7. #17


    Rio
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    If only they had used the resources they saved with aero/glass with implementing more options on the apps, especially the Video one, then it would've been justified. People wouldn't be using 3rd party software for better functionality instead of the apps. I make an effort and try and only use the apps instead of other programs. The eye candy loss is not justified on Windows 8/8.1 by any means.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by rafael1979 View Post
    If only they had used the resources they saved with aero/glass with implementing more options on the apps, especially the Video one, then it would've been justified. People wouldn't be using 3rd party software for better functionality instead of the apps. I make an effort and try and only use the apps instead of other programs. The eye candy loss is not justified on Windows 8/8.1 by any means.
    I really wish they could have done that but with Xbox Music. The Zune player before it GOBBLED, I mean slammed resources just to run the player because it was basically rendering a video at all times for the Now Playing view. In Xbox Music, they've developed it for the lowest common denominator of PCs and therefore, it's visually unexciting and rather bland. They could have optimized that part of it and TRULY allowed for GPU rendering (I doubt it was thoroughly rendered by the GPU in Zune as CPU usage couldn't have been that high) so it wouldn't task the system so much. It's such a shame because almost every single review for Xbox Music all say Zune was better in that respect out of MANY.
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  9. #19


    I agree that Windows 7 looks a little better but I can not dislike Windows 8.1 because it works beautifully
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by rafael1979 View Post
    Anyone here can probably see that Windows 7 is a lot better looking than Windows 8/8.1, at least when it comes to the desktop.
    That's your opinion. Windows 8 desktop is not just a better and faster OS, it's also more pleasing to my eyes.
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